What's your opinion on Orthodoxy?

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ComeHome2Rome said:
Which Canon Law Code specifically says this?

And isn’t caring for someone a valid exemption to the “obligation”? Or does God & the Church really expect me to place my baby in danger of heat stroke to meet this"obligation"?
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Canon 1248
  1. The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day.
I do not disagree with your statement. But the Church has decreed a law and if you want to be in the good graces of the Church you should obey it.
 
TrueLight said:
I’m really confused by your response.

Is someone forcing you to go to a DL? If you can’t go today because it’s 105 degrees then go to a DL another time.
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You said attending Mass this mmorning @ the Orthodox Church didn’t meet the “obligation” & someone else said there’s a Canon Law Code that requires me to attend tonight? Apparently regardless of that danger that would place my baby in. Whatever happened to our Merciful and Loving God?
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
You said attending Mass this mmorning @ the Orthodox Church didn’t meet the “obligation” & someone else said there’s a Canon Law Code that requires me to attend tonight? Apparently regardless of that danger that would place my baby in. Whatever happened to our Merciful and Loving God?
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No, I don’t know anything about what you did this morning. I only responded to this statement.
ComeHome2Rome said:
Yes, we’re permitted to make a visit and remain Catholic. I even have a dvd somewhere of the Pope attending an Orthodox liturgy with the Greek Orthodox Patriarch. As the leader of our Church, he gives us the example that it is alright. 👍
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If you didn’t know before, now you know it does not fulfill your obligation.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
You said attending Mass this mmorning @ the Orthodox Church didn’t meet the “obligation” & someone else said there’s a Canon Law Code that requires me to attend tonight? Apparently regardless of that danger that would place my baby in. Whatever happened to our Merciful and Loving God?
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You said earlier in this thread that the Pope can introduce new truths and that we should submit to such truth. The Pope says you should attend a Catholic Mass/Liturgy on a Sunday. Why are you questioning it contrary to your earlier statements about the authority of the Pope?
 
ConstantineTG said:
Canon 1248
  1. The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day.
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I met that definition this morning by attending the Mass at the Orthodox Church. It is, according to the Popes, part of the same Body of Christ described as the other Lung.

I would not have met that definition had I visited an Jehovah’s Witness or Baptist Church or some other non-One, non-Holy, non-Catholic and non-Apostolic church.
 
dzheremi said:
I don’t recall having ever seen it as a child in the Presbyterian church. They seem to be more into the “hands over my head like Jesus is firing a t-shirt cannon at me at a sporting event” thing (this thing). I don’t really watch what others are doing in the Coptic liturgy unless there’s some new part that I’m unfamiliar with, but it seems that it occurs at least during the Our Father, which is recited several times during the liturgy.
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Yeah, priests (at least in the OCA) do it during the Lords Prayer and the Anaphora. Laity often do it during the Lords Prayer. It just seems strange that someone would say that’s a protestant thing.
 
ConstantineTG said:
You said earlier in this thread that the Pope can introduce new truths and that we should submit to such truth. The Pope says you should attend a Catholic Mass/Liturgy on a Sunday. Why are you questioning it contrary to your earlier statements about the authority of the Pope?
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Yes, he can. I’m not contradicting anything.

I know that there is an exception to the “obligation”. 1st I’m fully confident that I met that obligation earlier today by attending Mass at an Orthodox Church & 2nd, even if I hadn’t been able to go this morning that Not attending tonight in 105 degree weather, a severe danger to an infant, meets the requirements for an exception to the Obligation.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
Yes, he can. I’m not contradicting anything.

I know that there is an exception to the “obligation”. 1st I’m fully confident that I met that obligation earlier today by attending Mass at an Orthodox Church & 2nd, even if I hadn’t been able to go this morning that Not attending tonight in 105 degree weather, a severe danger to an infant, meets the requirements for an exception to the Obligation.
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Let’s not mix it up.

It’s one thing to say that the weather outside is dangerous, in which case, it would be an exception.

It’s another thing to say that one can ordinarily fulfill their obligation at an Orthodox Liturgy because you saw the Pope attend an Orthodox DL or because the Orthodox are the other “lung”.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
Yes, he can. I’m not contradicting anything.

I know that there is an exception to the “obligation”. 1st I’m fully confident that I met that obligation earlier today by attending Mass at an Orthodox Church & 2nd, even if I hadn’t been able to go this morning that Not attending tonight in 105 degree weather, a severe danger to an infant, meets the requirements for an exception to the Obligation.
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I am not contending about your situation with the weather and your child. I am just saying here that going to Orthodox Divine Liturgy would not fulfill a Roman Catholic’s obligation.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I am not contending about your situation with the weather and your child. I am just saying here that going to Orthodox Divine Liturgy would not fulfill a Roman Catholic’s obligation.
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I went to the Code of Canon Law on the Vatican’s webpage & read Codes 1246-1248 and don’t see that attending Mass at an Orthodox Church, which IS a Catholic rite not currently in full communion with the Pope (and also Not excommunicated by the Pope), would not fulfill the Sunday Obligation.

And, although I didn’t Not see the exception to the Sunday Obligation mentioned in the CCC 2042, I Did see the exception in the CCL 1248.2 which cites a “grave” cause. Extreme heat for an infant would be, in my estimation & confirmed by medical doctors & nurses, is a “grave” (aka could cause death) for an infant.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
I went to the Code of Canon Law on the Vatican’s webpage & read Codes 1246-1248 and don’t see that attending Mass at an Orthodox Church, which IS a Catholic rite not currently in full communion with the Pope (and also Not excommunicated by the Pope), would not fulfill the Sunday Obligation.
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And this is why some of us complain that there is too much ambiguity in Vatican documents.
 
Nine_Two said:
Yeah, priests (at least in the OCA) do it during the Lords Prayer and the Anaphora. Laity often do it during the Lords Prayer. It just seems strange that someone would say that’s a protestant thing.
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Ah. Yes, I think the Coptic liturgy is the same. And, yeah, I don’t know what that guy was on about…something about how Copts have been very influenced by Protestantism in Egypt, which I wouldn’t doubt (depending on what is meant by “influenced”), but how the use of the orans posture is an example of that…your guess is as good as mine. 🤷

EDIT FOR OBVIOUS POINT: I think the internet (this was on a different message board) makes arguments out of things that aren’t actually arguments in real life. That’s the only reason I could imagine in this case.
 
Please stop attempting to link Orthodoxy to Islam, TEPO. This is grossly inaccurate and offensive.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
I went to the Code of Canon Law on the Vatican’s webpage & read Codes 1246-1248 and don’t see that attending Mass at an Orthodox Church, which IS a Catholic rite not currently in full communion with the Pope (and also Not excommunicated by the Pope), would not fulfill the Sunday Obligation.

And, although I didn’t Not see the exception to the Sunday Obligation mentioned in the CCC 2042, I Did see the exception in the CCL 1248.2 which cites a “grave” cause. Extreme heat for an infant would be, in my estimation & confirmed by medical doctors & nurses, is a “grave” (aka could cause death) for an infant.
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It is clear when they said “Catholic rite”. That is to say a Rite used by a Church in communion with Rome. If they are going to list the names of the Churches and denominations that you cannot attend, that will be a very long document. There are thousands of Protestant denominations to begin with.

One can contend that you are able to go to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy, you should have went to a Catholic one instead. The exemption would apply if you couldn’t leave the home at all.
 
dzheremi said:
Ah. Yes, I think the Coptic liturgy is the same. And, yeah, I don’t know what that guy was on about…something about how Copts have been very influenced by Protestantism in Egypt, which I wouldn’t doubt (depending on what is meant by “influenced”), but how the use of the orans posture is an example of that…your guess is as good as mine. 🤷

EDIT FOR OBVIOUS POINT: I think the internet (this was on a different message board) makes arguments out of things that aren’t actually arguments in real life. That’s the only reason I could imagine in this case.
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I’ll be honest though, around the same time I was contemplating the Orthodox Church I was taking a Religious Studies class in which we spent a good portion of one class discussing the orans - it was actually the profs attempt to argue women were accepted as priests in the ancient church, as they’ve found artifacts depicting women doing the orans, which she claimed only priests did.
So I looked for it when I attended services, and saw everyone doing it.
So that’s probably the only reason I’ve noticed it. 😃
 
ConstantineTG said:
It is clear when they said “Catholic rite”. That is to say a Rite used by a Church in communion with Rome. If they are going to list the names of the Churches and denominations that you cannot attend, that will be a very long document. There are thousands of Protestant denominations to begin with.

One can contend that you are able to go to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy, you should have went to a Catholic one instead. The exemption would apply if you couldn’t leave the home at all.
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Your interpretation of “Catholic rite” is different than my understanding.

My understanding is based on the fact that the Orthodox Church is uniquely an exception to all other non-Catholics as shown by
  1. It’s specifically mentioned in the CCL 844 as having licid Sacraments and allows for the inter-communion of the Eastern Churches Not in full communion if properly disposed
  2. The papal encyclical “Light of the East”
  3. The example given to us by Pope Benedict XVI, himself, attending an Orthodox Mass
 
dzheremi said:
Please stop attempting to link Orthodoxy to Islam, TEPO. This is grossly inaccurate and offensive.
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In post #641, TEPO wasn’t linking Orthodoxy to Islam. He was alluding to what LEMAITRE has in his/her Religion field: “Catholic considering Islam”.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
Yes, we’re permitted to make a visit and remain Catholic.
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Well, how would you describe your experience in all honesty?
ComeHome2Rome said:
I even have a dvd somewhere of the Pope attending an Orthodox liturgy with the Greek Orthodox Patriarch. As the leader of our Church, he gives us the example that it is alright. 👍
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Eh, well as much as I believe the Holy Spirit, whom I worship as God, works directly through the Pope on matters of faith and morals, I have trouble following his (the Popes) everyday actions as an example set in place for following. For me, this is reserved for Jesus, and in some cases the Saints, but not necessarily the Popes.
 
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