Wheelies and sin

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PHXsunsAZ said:
I got my license by just taking the written test and eventually doing the obstacle course at the MVD a couple months later, so yes it probably can be done other ways
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unless you’re in the same state and got your license in the last year or so, that’s an unreasonable assumption to make.

The requirements for youth licenses are being generally tightened these days, with each state making its own calls.

Nevada, for example, requires 50 hours behind the wheel, at least 10 at night, before taking the driving test, and even then issues teenagers a graduated license–noone but family for a few months, and I think two more steps.

The injury accident rate for the first six months of a licensed teen dropped by something staggering like two-thirds . . .
Theresalux said:
Then plan a vacation with Mass nearby. Vacation is not a permissible reason to skip mass.
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Maybe you should notify your bishop that he and the entire church in the US are in error, then . . .

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1ke said:
You don’t seem to be understanding the concept of a dispensation.
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Actually, it sound more like she thinks that she knows better than the church . . .
 
I just know that attending the holy sacrifice of the mass and fulfilling my weekly obligation comes before relaxing on a remote beach somewhere where I have no access to the mass.

But hey, that’s just my first priority, not everybody will agree that fitting mass into vacation is important. I just know that my first and most important obligation is to God, wherever I go. So yes, when I’m on vacation, attending mass is a no brainer. Never have I even contemplated the idea of “let me just run it by Father and see if it’s ok if I skip mass when I’m out vacationing.” Umm no. I plan my vacation with mass included.
 
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What does “all day Saturday” mean? Talk to your instructor and cut out 15 minutes early to attend the vigil mass.
 
Theresalux said:
Never have I even contemplated the idea of “let me just run it by Father and see if it’s ok if I skip mass when I’m out vacationing.” Umm no. I plan my vacation with mass included.
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Your sarcastic implication that those that go places without mass are lacking is simply offensive.
 
How so? Is God not first priority? I’ve always believed that if you are heathy and able, and have no grave reasons to be absent, then you attend weekly mass no matter what. You go on vacation, you better find a mass time near you. Beyond this thread I have NEVER heard of priests giving the green light to skip mass on vacations. I just recently I was at mass for some confirmation candidates and it was reiterated that it was expected of them to attend mass, even with spring break coming up.
 
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If the church’s own teachings and rules won’t satisfy you, there is nothing I can possibly say . . .
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church states 2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a SERIOUS reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

SERIOUS reason will call for the necessity of dispensation. Vacationing in the Bahamas and sippin margaritas on a tropical beach hardly constitutes as a serious reason.

If that’s my vacation, I will make darn sure to either find a Catholic Church nearby, or plan my vacation Sunday night to Saturday night so as to attend mass the following Sunday morning. I would feel embarrassed even asking such a thing from my priest.
 
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Theresalux said:
SERIOUS reason will call for the necessity of dispensation. Vacationing in the Bahamas and sippin margaritas on a tropical beach hardly constitutes as a serious reason.
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You’re taking this out of context, either missing or ignoring the word “or”.

It’s either

“Unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) OR dispensed by their own pastor.”

It’s not

“Unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) AND dispensed by their own pastor.”
 
Conjunctions are important 🙂

You are correct, it is OR not AND.
 
Theresalux said:
SERIOUS reason will call for the necessity of dispensation. Vacationing in the Bahamas and sippin margaritas on a tropical beach hardly constitutes as a serious reason.
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If the person can’t reasonably make it to Mass in the Bahamas, it might. Look, you’re just incorrect about this not being a thing. Maybe if you were a priest you’d give dispensations very rarely and only under extreme circumstances. But you’re not a priest, let alone the OPs priest, so whether you think this is a good enough reason isn’t really relevant.

I applaud your commitment to getting to Mass, but you’re trying insist on something the Church generally does not.
 
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po18guy said:
What does “all day Saturday” mean? Talk to your instructor and cut out 15 minutes early to attend the vigil mass.
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Maybe OP could also offer to split the class in two weekends if it’s offered every week. Like, hey, I’ll do the Saturday training this week, then come back next on Sunday to do that portion. Just a thought.
 
Theresalux said:
I just know that attending the holy sacrifice of the mass and fulfilling my weekly obligation comes before relaxing on a remote beach somewhere where I have no access to the mass.
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That’s your cboice. But not your place to impose it on others or imply they are doing something wrong or you are a better Catholic than someone who makes a different choice because the Church allows it and it is NOT a sin.
Theresalux said:
But hey, that’s just my first priority, not everybody will agree that fitting mass into vacation is important.
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Don’t be sanctimonious.

When Mass is not available we do not have an obligation.
Theresalux said:
Never have I even contemplated the idea of “let me just run it by Father and see if it’s ok if I skip mass when I’m out vacationing.”
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That’s your choice. But there is nothing wrong with doing so and those who do so aren’t doing anything wrong nor are they less of a Catholic than you.

You are being pretty rude and acting as if something that the Church allows is somehow wrong. It isn’t or the Church wouldn’t allow it.
 
Theresalux said:
SERIOUS reason will call for the necessity of dispensation.
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Actually for serious reasons we are excused. There is no dispensation necessary. That includes the unavailability of mass.

For other reasons we can be dispensed. It does not say serious reasons.

You are misreading the text. And pastors can legitimately dispense from attending mass.
 
Perhaps my strict upbringing and parish community has shaped my views. I know my pastor would insist on finding mass on vacation.
 
And if a pastor feels like the person is asking for a dispensation for a silly reason, or is not making a reasonable effort to get to Mass, they can decline to grant it.

It’s a pastoral call.
 
Theresalux said:
I know my pastor would insist on finding mass on vacation.
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We aren’t talking about the 99% of the time when it is reasonable to do so. I’ve been to mass all over the world.

We are talking about the 1% of the time when it’s not.

I have been in situations where I could not go (excused, no dispensation needed) or it was iffy (felt better asking for a dispensation).

I’ve gone to countries where there was no Catholic mass. I’ve been on the ocean and in the air during mass times. Those are excused, no dispensation needed.

One time I asked for a dispensation (granted) but I was then able to make it to mass when I got there and figured it out. One time I asked for one (granted) and it was a good thing because it would have been difficult for me to get to a mass.

One time we planned for mass in a foreign country (looking on websites) only to show up and mass was canceled that day because there was going to be a special mass for confirmation at another time. We couldn’t have foreseen that, and we couldn’t go at another time because our transportation was leaving (so also excused, no need for dispensation).

The obligation to attend mass is what is called a positive law. It allows exceptions.

You don’t know what your priest would or would not do on specific occasions.
 
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1ke said:
I have been in situations where I could not go (excused, no dispensation needed) or it was iffy (felt better asking for a dispensation).
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I once had one imposed on me 🙂

We were working on a project that the church needed at the preschool, intending to go to liturgy afterwards. Word was sent over that we were dispensed, and to keep working 🙂
 
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