When a baby dies during Baptism

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I am reading the sad news about Mexico, and during a baptism at a Catholic church, various family members and the baby were killed due to falling debris. I suppose I have trouble understanding how God can stand watching this suffering of people gathered in His name, baptizing their child.
Similarly, decades ago there was a horrific fire at a Catholic school, and children were killed in the school. They were there learning about Him.
What to make of such tragedies?
 
God’s mercy is shown those whom He calls soonest. The rest of us need major improvement. He alone can bring good - eternal good - from temporal tragedy. We also know that he chastises those whom He loves. Very mysterious, but to disbelieve makes life simply a bitter joke.
 
What’s the big picture? The big picture is eternity. So how we pass on this earth-- whether at the age of 2 weeks or 102 years, or whether peacefully in our beds or through illness or a disaster-- doesn’t have as much impact as the state of our soul when we die.

So-- suppose you have a baby’s baptism. Suppose you have family members who came to church for the first time in years, not for love of God, but to support the family. Suppose they had been separated from God-- but maybe God touched their soul and they suddenly felt a great resolve to go forward and do good things and turn their lives around. Dying at that particular moment, with a desire to love and serve God, is much better than dying when we’re bogged down by all the things that separate us from God and focus us on ourselves.

So-- that would be one way that good could be brought from tragedy.
 
Life is a bitter joke though. People view it important to strive to live into old age and avoid dying young. Yet the basic idea that can be gathered reading through this Catholic site is its obviously better, and safer eternal wise, to die as young as possible and get life over with as soon as possible. That way the younger the person is the less culpability they apparently have in Gods eyes for their sins and selfish ways. Die as an infant/young child = automatic heaven. Die any later and the person’s odds of getting to Heaven drops significantly. Moral of the story, the younger you die the better off you are as far as your odds of going to Heaven. At least in Catholicism anyway, cause if you lived a good life, go through all the motions and do all the works the Church says good Catholics must do to earn Gods favor and show they are true believers, and go to regular confession but make 1 mortal sin and get shot dead in the street before you can make it to Confession you go to Hell no exceptions, all hope is lost, better you were never born.
 
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If you ask me, that baby is a lucky duck! 😃
He gets baptized and then immediately gets to go straight to Heaven to enjoy the beatific vision? Whoa!

I don’t say this to discount the horror of the tragedy in any way, of course.
 
That way the younger the person is the less culpability they apparently have in Gods eyes for their sins and selfish ways. Die as an infant/young child = automatic heaven. Die any later and the person’s odds of getting to Heaven drops significantly. Moral of the story, the younger you die the better off you are as far as your odds of going to Heaven.
That’s not how it works. We are forgiven anytime we celebrate the Sacrament of Reconcilliation. At any age after we are given this Sacrament.

Many lives, people are given time to find God, I am sure, that could take decades. God is Mercy and forgiveness and God is love.
 
At least in Catholicism anyway, cause if you lived a good life, go through all the motions and do all the works
Yes all Christians should live selfless lives and love their neighbour and be a community.
 
I am reading the sad news about Mexico, and during a baptism at a Catholic church, various family members and the baby were killed due to falling debris. I suppose I have trouble understanding how God can stand watching this suffering of people gathered in His name, baptizing their child.

Similarly, decades ago there was a horrific fire at a Catholic school, and children were killed in the school. They were there learning about Him.

What to make of such tragedies?
They are the mysteries of God.

God the Son suffered as the Son of man. Jesus suffered horrifically during His Passion.
 
Everyone has their purpose for being here. It’s possible to fail at your purpose, or maybe only hit some of the high points. Some people accomplish their purpose in life early on. Other people get kept around for longer, for whatever reason.

Our actions cause ripples, like rocks being thrown into a lake. The ripples affect other people. We need to make sure those ripples are good ripples, not bad ripples. Some ripples vanish in moments. Some ripples last for years. Other ripples continue to affect people for multiple lifetimes. We’re held accountable for the impact we have on other people, for the good and for the bad. Sometimes, we affect other people by not causing ripples at the right time.

The Church tells people, “These are the kinds of actions that separate you from God. Let’s discourage them, because they’re dangerous. These are the kind of actions that bring you closer to God. Let’s encourage them, because they’re good.” As a whole, humanity is pretty much limited by their senses, and is generally pretty short-sighted. We need rules like “don’t run with scissors or you’ll hurt yourself” or “don’t play in the street or you’ll get run over.” That doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone who runs with scissors will get hurt, or everyone who plays in the street will get run over. But it’s generally prudent to avoid those situations, because the chances of Bad Stuff Happening increase each time you indulge in risky behavior.
 
  1. I said nothing of suicide or "cheating ". I said it’s better to die young. My aborted sibling is better off than I will ever be. They had the best root. They existed on this planet for the shortest time possible. I’m the unlucky one who was born and lived passed childhood. Now my chances of Heaven is significantly decreased, just like everyone else’s once they grow up.
  2. Yes it is. Under Catholic law, one “mortal” sin on your soul when you die and your eternal destination is Hell.
 
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And do the Catholic Church created and approved list of xy&z aka works. Man made and man mandated, yet are required to get to Heaven, under Catholic law.
 
And do the Catholic Church created and approved list of xy&z aka works. Man made and man mandated, yet are required to get to Heaven, under Catholic law.
Where is this list? Can you provide a link to it. That will make this discussion easier.

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus, and is under the guidance, and inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
 
Reread your first post in this thread, and try to fathom how I got that idea. In relation to my first sentence, you should not have the arrogance to assume you know what’s in store for your soul, or anyone else’s including aborted babies.

You have much to learn grasshopper. 🙂
 
So an aborted baby would go to Hell? Also, I never said x person/people are going too Hell.
 
If a person makes one “mortal” sin and can’t confess it to a priest, under Catholic law, they go to Hell. No exceptions.
And Yes that is how it works. Better to die young as possible and according to the church under the age of reason, so you go straight to Heaven and aren’t at constant risk of going to Hell like the rest of us. Because what happens if someone can’t go to confession and confess a “mortal” sin? According to the Church God won’t forgive them unless through a priest.
 
No, that would seemingly be an impossibility since hell requires choice/assent.

We leave the fate of such people to the mercy of God. I know that sounds fairly vague, but it would surely not include hell.

I also get the sense, from your posts, that you may have some misunderstandings about mortal sin.
 
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If a person makes one “mortal” sin and can’t confess it to a priest, under Catholic law, they go to Hell. No exceptions.

And Yes that is how it works. Better to die young as possible and according to the church under the age of reason, so you go straight to Heaven and aren’t at constant risk of going to Hell like the rest of us. Because what happens if someone can’t go to confession and confess a “mortal” sin? According to the Church God won’t forgive them unless through a priest.
Not Catholic law, the law of God.

But how do we know what happens at the hour of death. We pray that Saints , angels and Jesus will be with us at the hour of our death. We must trust in God that He gives each of us an choice at that hour.

We aren’t at risk of going to hell, if we follow the will of God. It’s simple, keep the law of God, partake in the Sacraments, get as close to God as we can. Job done.

Have you heard of contrition for sins?
 
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