When a Priest Was Asked "Since the Church does nothing about Joe Biden's promotion of abortion and gay marriage, what commandments do I have to follow

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with priests he knows are “friendly”.
Well, the Catholic Church has a 2,000 year history which is replete with rogue priests and bishops; that is not to say I support laissez-faire by any stretch of the imagination. It is just more a matter that I try to pick my battles. I think that the laity can bring focus to bear on matters, and would not suggest that they not do so; but I am also aware that there are times bishops are acting - appropriately - and we are not privileged to know about it.
 
It is teaching, which is the definition of doctrine. How the law should treat abortion is quite similar to how it should address divorce, capital punishment, legal birth control, legal alcohol, etc. The teaching on abortion has consistently been that it should not be legal, but it is not the same level as the teaching that abortion is evil.
 
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Sin is a bad thing, but I am taking a wait an see on how far he is willing to go on this.
His statements on the subject, and the support that PP gives him, are very good indicators of how far he’s willing to go. Doesn’t look good.
So, yes, sin is bad in everyone, yet the grace of God works good in all of us.
I agree.
I just keep getting the feeling that Joe Biden is being held to a standard that no one holds themselves to.
Well, unless those folks proclaim their stances on things the way that Biden is, there’s not much point in knowing what most others folks’ standards are, right? We know that Biden is for certain things as a fact due to his own words and actions.
He has never said that abortion was not sinful.
Regardless, he still champions it as prospective President.
He has voted against abortion and for it being available at different times. This is contrary to Catholic teaching, but not contrary to an Catholic dogma.
Currently, he’s supporting abortion. That’s what I’m concerned with in the here and now.
And, this keeps getting lost, he has not voted on anything in a long while.
Immaterial, I think. We see him supporting abortion now.
How many have also not support the Catholic teaching on exercising the death penalty, but that does not make them bad.
The death penalty may not be a good example, given how the Church is pivoting on it.
I know I have not always supported Catholic teaching in everything, including the death penalty. There are a couple of other areas I have had issues with.
Same on both counts, but support for the death penalty has, up until modern times, had a logical reason to exist. Now that we have the ability to keep dangerous people behind bars safely, we don’t really need it anymore, and the Church seems to know that. Pope Francis is pretty clear on the fact that it’s not a good thing to endorse anymore.

This is in stark contrast to abortion, which has always been the killing of an innocent baby; Biden currently supports this by word and by deed, and I think it’s a mistake to stay silent on the matter.
 
Regardless, he still champions it as prospective President.
And that is just rhetoric, which is why, as I said, I will wait and see what issues arise, and what he actually does.

…and I think it’s a mistake to stay silent on the matter.
I think so as well. It may be that speaking up would have cost him votes from Democrats who would not then vote, but it might have also drawn votes from Republicans and independents.
Same on both counts, but support for the death penalty has, up until modern times, had a logical reason to exist.
This may be where some Catholics miss why abortion needs to still be illegal. Some things, like divorce, cannot be made illegal. Conceding abortion is at best pre-mature, at best. Abortion is so evil that it is likely that it’s legalization will likely always be opposed by the Church. As I keep saying, I do not know the future. I personally think no-fault divorce has caused the second most evil in our country, but that is a matter on which there is no return, I fear.
 
And that is just rhetoric, which is why, as I said, I will wait and see what issues arise, and what he actually does.
Do you think it unlikely that he’ll follow through on what he’s publicly planned to do?
I think so as well. It may be that speaking up would have cost him votes from Democrats who would not then vote, but it might have also drawn votes from Republicans and independents.
Maybe. If he actually feels as though babies shouldn’t be killed in the womb, it’s a pity he didn’t have the courage to speak up and say so.
This may be where some Catholics miss why abortion needs to still be illegal. Some things, like divorce, cannot be made illegal. Conceding abortion is at best pre-mature, at best. Abortion is so evil that it is likely that it’s legalization will likely always be opposed by the Church. As I keep saying, I do not know the future. I personally think no-fault divorce has caused the second most evil in our country, but that is a matter on which there is no return, I fear.
Completely agree. Treating marriages and families like throwaway objects has had long-lasting repercussions that we’ll never fully recover from.
 
Do you think it unlikely that he’ll follow through on what he’s publicly planned to do?
Man, I hate to make predictions. I will just say that I am praying that at least he will moderate his actions, or perhaps even with abortion still being legal, speak up for life. Presidents have a bully pulpit. Since the goal is to save lives (one goal, that is), he could at least help some considering abortion to have hope in the future enough to prevent a mother from making a tragic choice.
 
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Man, I hate to make predictions. I will just say that I am praying that at least he will moderate his actions, or perhaps even with abortion still being legal, speak up for life. Presidents have a bully pulpit. Since the goal is to save lives (one goal, that is), he could at least help some considering abortion to have hope in the future enough to prevent a mother from making a tragic choice.
God can do anything, if He chooses. I’d say, aim for the stars and pray for his complete conversion to the pro-life cause. That’s what I’m going to do, anyway.
 
I also do not follow him around to see what he does every day, when he goes to confession, what he says in confession. He could commit 10 grave sins on the public street on Friday, and confess and be absolved of them all on Saturday, and receive Communion on Sunday. How would I know? I don’t listen to his confession or watch to see when he goes.
That’s what I was thinking…

yes I too am shocked 😉

tiny Off Topic, who is the bear in your profile, trying to remember the cartoon is killing me.
 
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That’s what I was think…
you know by what he says, he hasn’t changed his campaign promises.

why don’t we believe what they say they will do? why vote for someone you don’t believe he will do what he promises?
 
why don’t we believe what they say they will do? why vote for someone you don’t believe he will do what he promises?
it’s called politics. they will say what ever they need to say to get votes. it’s a show, an act… 95.5% of what they promise or say isn’t real and then we hope the 5.5% of what they do say will help and protect the people of this country.

I don’t put my trust in them, I put my trust in God.

Besides how much do you really know someone unless you walk directly in their shoes, have the ability to read their minds and hearts.
 
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Besides how much do you really know someone unless you walk directly in their shoes, have the ability to read their minds and hearts.
you follow their history and see what they have done, you see the changes and the trends. Biden bought into the entire godless platform of the Dems. they didn’t call themselves the party of the “nones” without a reason
it’s a show, an act… 95.5% of what they promise or say isn’t real
the policies below are real, it isn’t an act. week 1 Biden will expand abortion.

breaking the seal of the confession
forcing Catholic hospitals to perform abortions
abortion, late-term & on-demand
infanticide just after birth
taxpayer-funded abortion
abortion pill available over the counter at the college
same-sex marriage
the whole LGBT special rights agenda
the limiting of religious freedoms
limiting police enforcement
criminal catch and release
eliminating private services in the health field
contraception forced on religious groups
mandated contraception coverage in your insurance
etc.

which of these policies follow catholic teaching?
 
you guys are missing the point of what I’m saying… unless you can read a person’s heart and mind, the way God can, you can not truly know them.
do you think Joe should be allowed communion?
and to make my point more clear… I’m one of few people who believes no body should be denied the Eucharist (communion). There is a reason a person standing there to receive so to deny them is denying them God.

Only exception is if so clueless to what the Eucharist is they put it in their pocket to eat later, in that case someone should use that opportunity to speak with the person, clear up some misunderstandings with hopes of bringing them to God.
 
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I’m one of few people who believes no body should be denied the Eucharist (communion).
should we encourage sin? (bold mine)
27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy way will be guilty of sin against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 So a man should examine himself; in this way, he should eat the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For whoever eats and drinks without recognizing the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself. (1 Corinthians 11-27-29)
CCC 1385 To respond to this invitation we must prepare ourselves for so great and so holy a moment. St. Paul urges us to examine our conscience: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself."216 Anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion.
there are rules that have to be followed
unless you can read a person’s heart and mind, the way God can, you can not truly know them.
they make themselves known by their words and actions. it really isn’t hard when they tell you what they believe. is he lying to himself?
 
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27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy way will be guilty of sin against the body and blood of the Lord 28 So a man should examine himself; in this way, he should eat the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For whoever eats and drinks without recognizing the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself. (1 Corinthians 11-27-29)
CCC 1385 To respond to this invitation we must prepare ourselves for so great and so holy a moment. St. Paul urges us to examine our conscience: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. 216 Anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion.
Which rule did I say people should break?
they make themselves known by their words and actions. it really isn’t hard when they tell you what they believe. is he lying to himself?
many people in this world lie to themselves about many things, good and bad… for example

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Which rule did I say people should break?
you said, no one should be denied, the unworthy would be committing sin, they should refrain and Biden fits this category according to priests and bishops.
many people in this world lie to themselves about many things, good and bad
Joe has acted on some of these issues prior so we know he means them. we know by the past actions he will do what he says
 
you said, no one should be denied, the unworthy would be committing sin, they should refrain and Biden fits this category according to priests and bishops.
If they are doing a self examination of themselves as it is written in the Bible and your CCC then who is to says who should refrain other than God? Who can know their guilt of sin other than God? Who can read their hearts and minds other than God? who knows who is truly repentant of their sins, who is truly forgiven of sin other than God? Who is honest in who they are and what they stand for in the house of God other than God?

1 John 1:9-10 If we confess our sins, he who is faithful and just will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

In other words only Joe Biden can say who he is when it comes to his sinful ways… examine himself before he takes the Eucharist, same as everyone else in church… a self examination.

We are all there for a reason, for a purpose and only God knows what that reason is and what is that purpose, no one should be denied to receive what God freely gives… Himself.
 
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If they are doing a self examination of themselves as it is written in the Bible and your CCC then who is to says who should refrain other than God? Who can know their guilt of sin other than God? Who can read their hearts and minds other than God? who knows who is truly repentant of their sins, who is truly forgiven of sin other than God? Who is honest in who they are and what they stand for in the house of God other than God?
where has he changed his platform? he is still espousing the same anti-Catholic agenda. some things are obvious. Jesus said go and sin no more,
In other words only Joe Biden can say who he is when it comes to his sinful ways… examine himself before he takes the Eucharist, same as everyone else in church… a self examination.
you miss the confession part and an actual change of heart, has he renounced his pro-abortion agenda?
We are all there for a reason, for a purpose and only God knows what that reason is and what is that purpose, no one should be denied to receive what God freely gives… Himself.
the church disagrees with you in that.

I suggest you read the article posted by @fredystairs above
 
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