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yes if you are in a state of grave sin. he has been refused by the clergy,
the church says you should not present yourself for communion unworthily and you should go to confession first if you are in grave sin
When a Priest Was Asked "Since the Church does nothing about Joe Biden's promotion of abortion and gay marriage, what commandments do I have to follow
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the church says you should not present yourself for communion unworthily and you should go to confession first if you are in grave sin
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annad347
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That’s a shame… denying others God.
Thank God, He is always there for anyone who needs, wants and accepts Him… and the only one who can deny a person God is the person themselves.
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was the clergy wrong?
this is true, the actions of the person makes them ineligible to receive. the church did nothing to make the person ineligible. St Paul defined the sin, the church just enforces it, or some in the clergy do.
you believe what you want, I’ll go with St. Paul, I think he knows better than us.
absolutely, all a catholic sinner has to do is go to confession and repent with their heart. God will forgive us and accept us
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annad347
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I said I’m one of the few, if not the only person who believes no one should be denied the opportunity to become One with God by entering the new covenant given to us through the body and blood of Christ.
I believe St. Paul also said, Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves. 1 Corinthians 11:28-29
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You said I can believe what I want, that you would go with what St. Paul said because he knows better… I was just telling you what St. Paul said, or rather what he wrote… and that it was the same thing that was said earlier.
FYI that reference in the CCC 1385 was written by Paul. ref: 218 1 Cor 11:27-29… 1386 was written by a man on an understanding of the words in Matthew 8:8 Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; but only speak the word, and my servant will be healed. ref: 219… both examples of self examination.
in other words, I also believe what St. Paul says
FYI that reference in the CCC 1385 was written by Paul. ref: 218 1 Cor 11:27-29… 1386 was written by a man on an understanding of the words in Matthew 8:8 Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; but only speak the word, and my servant will be healed. ref: 219… both examples of self examination.
in other words, I also believe what St. Paul says
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so no need for confession?
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annad347
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When you do a self examination of who you are, that is you confessing to yourself you are a sinner who need to repent your sins. Only you can say whether or not you need to go to confession and only God knows if you are lying to yourself.
Even if I went to confession, only God knows if I’m telling the truth in my confession, if I’ve truly repented my sins or if I’m just telling the priest what he wants to hear so he can forgive me on God’s behalf.
Going to confession is another form of self examination.
Seriously, how would anyone on earth know any difference, with out the ability to read my mind and heart… the only way God can.
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does your priest walk up to you, taps you on the shoulder, to tell you, you need to go to confession, or is it the Holy Spirit within you, performing a self examination of yourself, whispering to you, you’ve sinned against God, you need to confess?
You are purposely using what I’m saying to misunderstand what I’m saying, when I’m saying the same thing St.Paul said who you said knows better.
not once did I say no confession, I said a self examination is necessary to know you need to go… without examining you’re thought, words and actions how would you know you need to go to confession?
You know the feeling of guilt, remorse, bad pain in your heart telling you, you did something wrong… that is a form of self examination. God telling you to come to me, tell me what you did… for Catholic’s you go to a priest, for non-Catholic you go to whoever you confess your sins to.
but like you said, I can believe what I want, right?
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MNathaniel
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You’re sure not making it hard to be ‘misunderstood’.
By the way according to your profile you’re not specifically catholic, right? You self identify as:
(Spelling as you have it.)
Just popping that in here in case anyone you’re arguing with is confused about where you’re coming from and hasn’t checked your profile to realize you’re not even claiming to represent a specifically catholic-compatible viewpoint.
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I know right…
I’m not arguing with anyone… @upant, do you think we’re having an argument? Nor am I hiding anything from anyone about the churches I attend… if I was I would hide my profile.
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Not at all, but I did think that you were into “new age”
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annad347
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What do you mean by “new age”?
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mythbuster1
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No, but there’s a difference between falling short of holiness and showing open contempt for it. It’s the difference between the sin of Eve and the sin of Lucifer.
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pnewton
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I do not see open contempt, not by any definition of that word.
The sin of Lucifer was rejection of God, choosing self. That definitely has not happened. Biden is not Satan.
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Victoria33
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Yes, the good Father is mostly right, Biden has been denied communion some. Also, there are those who help enable pro-abortionists with their vote. They are not even worth paying attention too.
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EricF
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The article the OP posits that the question is a good one. I think it is not. It comes across as pretty whiney. “If Joe Biden gets away with it why should I have to follow rules?” First, this isn’t some sort of competition to see who sins the least. 2. None of us can check off enough “Holy boxes” to earn our way to heaven, it just doesn’t work that way. And 3. Until our own house is without blemish, the sins of others aren’t something we ought to be dwelling on. I’m supposed to confess my own sins, not anyone else’s.
Tis_Bearself
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That was my impression of it. It sounded like first graders complaining when they get told to do something by their teacher.
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I think the point here is the church is the bad guy for not walking the talk. Preach that it is bad on Sunday but do nothing about those who blatantly and openly support abortion. It is their preeminent issue. The church has rules concerning this and only a small number of bishops follow the rules
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