When did Peter become Pope?

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Did Peter become Pope when Christ said “on this rock I will build my Church?”

Or was there a later moment in time when Peter became the Pope?
 
dsully said:
Did Peter become Pope when Christ said “on this rock I will build my Church?”

Or was there a later moment in time when Peter became the Pope?
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From the moment that Peter confessed that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the living God. That is what prompted Jesus’ response. After this point it is evident that Peter was the leader of the Apostles. Of course his authority only became necessary after Jesus ascended. No need for an ambassador when the president is in the room. But he was chosen at the moment of his confession.
 
dsully said:
Did Peter become Pope when Christ said “on this rock I will build my Church?”

Or was there a later moment in time when Peter became the Pope?
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Right after Ascention…and you can see this when he started acting as the leader, in Acts…when he leads the selection of the replacement of Judas Iscariot.
 
As far as becoming “Pope” is concerned, that term wasn’t adopted until years later, maybe several centuries.
 
DaveBj said:
As far as becoming “Pope” is concerned, that term wasn’t adopted until years later, maybe several centuries.
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So? God has always been the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit even though it was more than a century after the time of Christ that the Trinitarian doctrinal controversies were settled. Are you saying the Trinity didn’t exist before the term was coined? 😉
 
manualman said:
So? God has always been the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit even though it was more than a century after the time of Christ that the Trinitarian doctrinal controversies were settled. Are you saying the Trinity didn’t exist before the term was coined? 😉
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No. I was referring to the names by which things and people were called. Nobody called the Trinity “the Trinity” before the term was coined, and nobody was calling the Bishop of Rome “Papa” in the 1st century.
 
DaveBj said:
No. I was referring to the names by which things and people were called. Nobody called the Trinity “the Trinity” before the term was coined, and nobody was calling the Bishop of Rome “Papa” in the 1st century.
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The question was not “When was Peter first called Pope?”. It was “When did Peter become Pope?”.
 
Never, he was an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ who established with Paul a Bishop in Rome and in other places.
 
I think Peter became Pope on the beach when Jesus asked him three times if he loved him and Jesus said, “Feed my Lambs and Feed my sheep.” Just my opinion…🙂
 
pablope said:
Right after Ascention…and you can see this when he started acting as the leader, in Acts…when he leads the selection of the replacement of Judas Iscariot.
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This was the answer I was thinking of.
 
An argument may be made from Luke 22:31-32 " “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.” Or, as petra22 noted, from John 21. “Feed my lambs” 'tend my sheep" “Feed my lambs”

But really, the Lord knew from all eternity who would lead the Church.
 
dsully said:
Did Peter become Pope when Christ said “on this rock I will build my Church?”

Or was there a later moment in time when Peter became the Pope?
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The beginning was when he was given the keys to the kingdom.

But when his job officially started You could say was pretty much when Jesus left.

He told him feed my sheep. Look at that scripture.

Jesus asked Peter 3 times. Why 3?

Because it was not until Peter answerd Jesus in a divne manner that Peter got it.

See Jesus knew Peter loved him. But it took Peter until the 3rd time to figure it out.
 
My take is after the accession. Christ used the word “will” build my church…future tense. Since Pentecost is the birthday of the church, Pentecost would be a good choice.

Also, the reason Christ asked Peter 3 times…if you read it in the greek, Christ used the word agape the first 2 times. Peter’s response was lacking so Christ met Peter where Peter was at and used the word philos the third time. This is a great gospel story that loses much because of the english word “love” means so many things.

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IgnatianPhilo said:
Never, he was an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ who established with Paul a Bishop in Rome and in other places.
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And Peter was the head of the Apostles.

By the way, the Church is literally built on Peter. A Church was built on top of him, physically.
 
zz912 said:
So, was there anything different or special about him compared to the other Apostles?
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Yes.
1 ) Even perhaps when there was no understandable reason to do
so, he articulates the single greatest confession of faith in the history of the Church: “You are
the Christ, the son of the. Living God.”
  1. He receives for the Church the Power of the Keys, the power to bind and loose sin.
Jon
 
JonNC said:
Yes.
1 ) Even perhaps when there was no understandable reason to do
so, he articulates the single greatest confession of faith in the history of the Church: “You are
the Christ, the son of the. Living God.”
  1. He receives for the Church the Power of the Keys, the power to bind and loose sin.
Jon
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You are correct, but I think the Catholic position on your second point would be that the power to bind and loose is the power to legislate. All of the Apostles were given the authority to forgive sins:

*"19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”* (John 20:19-23)

Peter’s status as leader of the early Church, however, is evident from the words Jesus spoke only to him and we see his role as leader clearly played out in the Book of Acts.
 
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