When Father is a father

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Hoosier_Daddy said:
“Indeed, virtually anywhere the Church has a presence- the children of priests form an invisible legion of secrecy and neglect”
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Sometimes it’s completely above board – we used to have a priest in our parish who had come to Catholicism after he was ordained as an Episcopalian priest. He was (I guess) re-ordained as a Catholic priest and ended up in my parish. He was married and had two kids. Nice guy.
 
Inisfallen said:
Sometimes it’s completely above board – we used to have a priest in our parish who had come to Catholicism after he was ordained as an Episcopalian priest. He was (I guess) re-ordained as a Catholic priest and ended up in my parish. He was married and had two kids. Nice guy.
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Yeah, that’s not what the article is talking about.

I remember distinctly In college a parish in a large city had a priest who adopted a child.,…

However, even with the former Anglican priests who join the Church I heard on CAL once that they are not assigned to parishes. That they are not parish priests.,… Though I always hear of tales like yours…
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
“Indeed, virtually anywhere the Church has a presence- the children of priests form an invisible legion of secrecy and neglect”
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I would say anywhere where there are humans there are children who are neglected and hidden because of the sins of their parents. If a man and woman have sex a baby is possible. If a woman has sex with a man unwilling or unable to commit to her, her child will probably suffer for it.

The idea that the church should support the children doesn’t make much more sense than demanding that a wife should support the children produced by her husband’s one night stand. Priests receive a salary just like any other man and should pay child support from it.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Yeah, that’s not what the article is talking about.

I remember distinctly In college a parish in a large city had a priest who adopted a child.,…

However, even with the former Anglican priests who join the Church I heard on CAL once that they are not assigned to parishes. That they are not parish priests.,… Though I always hear of tales like yours…
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I know that’s not what the article was talking about. We’re just having a conversation.

As to the priest in my parish, maybe he wasn’t “assigned.” I don’t know. He was there for a few months. Maybe he was just helping out.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Yeah, that’s not what the article is talking about.

I remember distinctly In college a parish in a large city had a priest who adopted a child.,…

However, even with the former Anglican priests who join the Church I heard on CAL once that they are not assigned to parishes. That they are not parish priests.,… Though I always hear of tales like yours…
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It is a wrong notion.

Married Catholic priests DO get assigned as pastors, in both the Ordinariates and regular Catholic dioceses.
 
Amator_Dei said:
I would say anywhere where there are humans there are children who are neglected and hidden because of the sins of their parents. If a man and woman have sex a baby is possible. If a woman has sex with a man unwilling or unable to commit to her, her child will probably suffer for it.
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The idea that the church should support the children doesn’t make much more sense than demanding that a wife should support the children produced by her husband’s one night stand. Priests receive a salary just like any other man and should pay child support from it.
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I tend to agree with this.

However, like many other situations, it seems like if you’re a man, you can run away from this kind of situation fairly easily.

what the church should not do is cover it up and pretend like nothing has happened. I don’t really know if there is any sort of official process to deal with this sort of thing.

either way, it’s still a broken vow of celibacy and also the sin for fornication.

and the article is right about one thing, every child deserves to be loved and cared for no matter the circumstances of conception. People need to take responsibility of their actions
 
Inisfallen said:
Sometimes it’s completely above board – we used to have a priest in our parish who had come to Catholicism after he was ordained as an Episcopalian priest. He was (I guess) re-ordained as a Catholic priest and ended up in my parish. He was married and had two kids. Nice guy.
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In our tradition, marriage had not an impediment to ordination. This was never an issue sin the old country, but was made an issue here. It took a century to for us to be able to restore this aspect of our own tradition without interference.
 
dvdjs said:
In our tradition, marriage had not an impediment to ordination. This was never an issue sin the old country, but was made an issue here. It took a century to for us to be able to restore this aspect of our own tradition without interference.
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The Maronite church was in the same situation, I believe, and only recently have been allowed to ordain married men in the United States.

There’s a Maronite church (cathedral, actually – it’s the seat of the Maronite bishop, Gregory Monsour) practically next door to my parish church. I’m curious as to what their relationship is to the Latin church. Does Mansour get together with Bishop DiMarzio for lunch or anything?
 
Inisfallen said:
The Maronite church was in the same situation, I believe, and only recently have been allowed to ordain married men in the United States.

There’s a Maronite church (cathedral, actually – it’s the seat of the Maronite bishop, Gregory Monsour) practically next door to my parish church. I’m curious as to what their relationship is to the Latin church. Does Mansour get together with Bishop DiMarzio for lunch or anything?
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Probably. Relationship were tense a century ago for a number of reasons. But things are mush better now.
 
I wonder in this day and age if DNA tests will come into play.

Also, I can’t imagine the spiritual and psychological damage to the children.
Personally I think the priests should be laicized do they may provide for thier Children.
Not all priests are paid. And they are not paid to support children.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/16/father-father-children-catholic-priests-live-with-secrets-and-sorrow/mvYO5SOxAxZYJBi8XxiaqN/story.html

“Indeed, virtually anywhere the Church has a presence- the children of priests form an invisible legion of secrecy and neglect”

And we’re off!
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Yeah, here we go again … though I have to wonder if this will be as big a scandal as the Sexual Abuse Scandal from 2002. Somehow, I don’t think it will be. Though I know the media will pick it up and the Catholic Church will be put through the mill once more …😦
 
DrivingReport said:
Yeah, here we go again … though I have to wonder if this will be as big a scandal as the Sexual Abuse Scandal from 2002. Somehow, I don’t think it will be. Though I know the media will pick it up and the Catholic Church will be put through the mill once more …😦
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I don’t think it’s a new thing. Nor as big as the abuse scandal. But I do think it’s a problem that should be adressed differently.
 
Not really sure this is a big deal, but I absolutely believe it happens. Priests are human, after all, and people make mistakes… And I’d wager in most cases, the mother doesn’t either want to bring controversy to the priest or doesn’t want to be seen as the sort of woman who seduces a priest.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I don’t think it’s a new thing. Nor as big as the abuse scandal. But I do think it’s a problem that should be adressed differently.
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Unfortunately for those priests that break their vows and father a child and don’t step up to the plate, I think the women who they impregnated should report the priest to the Bishop and file for child support.

It sounds like many of these “secret children of priests” are: with women hesitant to file for child support.

I’m not saying they should be forced to do this but given the article insinuates they are left on their own to raise a child without at least some financial assistance.

Mary.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I wonder in this day and age if DNA tests will come into play.

Also, I can’t imagine the spiritual and psychological damage to the children.
Personally I think the priests should be laicized do they may provide for thier Children.
Not all priests are paid. And they are not paid to support children.
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It sounds like many of these “secret children of priests” are secret because the women are hesitant to report this priest to the bishop and notify the bishop not only did he break his vows of celibacy he is father of a child.

There may be a procedure in place of some kind or compensation given to those who come forward, In fact my X husband who was a CPA audited an insurance company that was Catholic in nature and he said part of its pay outs were for women priests had fathered. I would imagine if this was the case it would be private in nature between all parties involved.

You can’t complain nothing is being done if the diocese is not notified nor the women fild for child support.

I actually believe if the Church is not going to laicize the priest so they can find a way to financially support their child then the Church should be held responsible for financial obligations to the mother.

Mary.
 
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