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Ignatius
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Amen!!…I’m thankful that I’m only hearing and not seeing “Liturgical Dancer”!
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Ignatius
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Hi Ryan, What we are talking about is Liturgical dance during Mass. That’s the whole point, it shouldn’t be done during the Holy Mass.
Pax Vobiscum.
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Servus_Pio_XII
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Amen. I am dreading the morrow…we have all-school-Mass which, essentially, means a Mass which is held in a noisy gym, accompanied by drums, ignores Church rubrics, and is generally apostate.
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Oremus pro Ecclesiam Catholicam.*
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palmas85
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Michael Welter:
I think thats because most places figured out just how horrid they were.
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catsrus
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This looks exactly like a Newman Center to which I once belonged.
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netmilsmom
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Rebecca New:
And also, children marching through the church “Putting away the Alleluia” on Ash Wednesday.
There should be a shutter smilie.
I will have to add an Amen to your post.
And also, children marching through the church “Putting away the Alleluia” on Ash Wednesday.
There should be a shutter smilie.
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johnq
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Karl Keating :tiphat:
I visisted a parish for the first time last week. I saw a brouchure rack at the church entrance. I glanced them over and found one related to their litrigual dancing “ministry.” After seing that, it did not suprise me that I had to hunt to find Jesus when I entered the church. :banghead:
Lord have mercy.
I visisted a parish for the first time last week. I saw a brouchure rack at the church entrance. I glanced them over and found one related to their litrigual dancing “ministry.” After seing that, it did not suprise me that I had to hunt to find Jesus when I entered the church. :banghead:
Lord have mercy.
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Nance
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theres a thought…teeheeI personally have never seen liturgical dancers…if I did I would walk out. :ehh:
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Traditional_Ang
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msproule:
Did you slow down enough to shake the dust from your feet?
Too bad you’re in Michigan, or I’d join you.
Michael
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Traditional_Ang
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Spello:
Dancing before the Lord was appropriate to that culture. Dance was integral to their religion and their worship of God as well as their lives. Just about everything had a dance, and none of their lives could be said to be purely secular since religion permiated their whole society (they were “The People of God” living on the “Land God promised them”).
Ours doesn’t. Our culture is largely secular, and most people dance in secular settings for secular and often sinful purposes.
I don’t see how Liturgical Dancing, which is a completely made up form alien to our culture and to our religious expression, could mean anything in our culture like what it meant to King David and the ancient Israelites.
Can’t you see that we’re dealing with 2 comnpletely different cultural milieus, and, therefore, different meanings for the different peoples?
In Christ, Michael
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PAX777
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When I Hear “Liturgical Dancer” …
I think of Angles dancing for the Lord of Hosts…
Example that fits my point; ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur52.htm
Have there been abuses & twisted ideas that have happen at Masses around our Country? Yes
There has also been a great deal of Spiritual renewal in the Church. Praise God!
What side of the coin do we want to focus on?
Am I a Bad Catholic because I like Liturgical Dance? I think it has a place in our culture & have seen it used VERY tactfully & spiritually to show the reverence to the Sprit of the Mass.
I think of Angles dancing for the Lord of Hosts…
This topic has been debated to death, and I have seen there is a great animosity over the issue. I have been enlightened by many CA views and articles…
Example that fits my point; ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur52.htm
Have there been abuses & twisted ideas that have happen at Masses around our Country? Yes
There has also been a great deal of Spiritual renewal in the Church. Praise God!
What side of the coin do we want to focus on?
Am I a Bad Catholic because I like Liturgical Dance? I think it has a place in our culture & have seen it used VERY tactfully & spiritually to show the reverence to the Sprit of the Mass.
- Why can’t our culture look to the Traditions of the past for examples for Praising God in Dance?
- Dancing is often sinful??? Is that Western Dancing, Line dancing, tap dancing, Ball room dancing, Ballet, Salsa… Very Broad statement.
- “Alien to our culture” I see it is part of our Culture.
- Same people – People of God whom Praise God in Song, in Prayer, in Chat, in Silence, in Word, In the Sacraments, in Joy, in Honor, on there knees, with their Family, by oneself, at Mass, in renewal, on retreat… Through Dance??? Why not?
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jay29
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PAX777 said:
Just ask yourself this: Would this be allowed at a Latin Mass? I think we have moved away from the solemness of the mass. Not to say that the N.O. mass is any less of a mass, what is taking place, because it is not. However, there is a definant decrease in solomness and I think that liturgical dancers would make it even worse. We are not at mass to be entertained at all. If we can turn back to the Latin type mass, but use english or local dialect instead so we can all understand it that would have been the way to go. We have been way to liberal with the mass.
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frdave20
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there is actually no such thing as Liturgical dance… there is sacred dance – but liturgically, dance is not within the Latin Rite. it is only seen in some places because it is an abuse in the liturgy – at least, in the West, where dance is not a part of the tradition or custom of the people/
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Traditional_Ang
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Fr. Dave:
All I know is that most of us would be horrified at the scene pictured on this website:
archdiocese.la/index.php
All I would ask is that people look at the FRUITS of the reform we’ve been talking about:
The Shortage/Drought in Vocations to the Sacred Priesthood - Closing of many seminaries;
Shorter/NO lines at the Confessional;
Dramatically lower Mass attendence - fewer than 35% of American Catholics attend Mass monthly - Down from over 60% in the 1950’s;
The closing of dozens of parishes in cities across the USA;
Couples Contracepting and divorcing at the same rates as those in Secular Society;
More Catholics accepting the right of women to kill their babies through Abortion.
Liturgical Abuses including not saying the Creed during Sunday Mass, Politicized Prayers of the Peple and “Make it up as you go” Canons;
“Catholic” Politicians supporting Abortion, “Gay Marraige” Euthanasia, etc. which are opposed to Church Teaching;
I could go on, but that should make the case that the FRUITS STINK! Jesus said, “You will know them by their FRUITS.”
Paxx777 is right - We’ve debated this to death… I ask everyone to judge reforms such as Liturgical Dancing by their FRUITS! That’s the only standard that should be allowed in discussions such as this.
On that basis, most of the reforms done “In the Spirit of Vatican II” which don’t conform to the actual documents, don’t make the grade.
In Christ, Michael
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Reepicheep
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I add a hearty “Amen!” to Mordacai’s words. :yup:
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netmilsmom
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PAX777 said:
I agree with you!
Why not?
As a dancer for nearly 20 years and the mother of two Folk dancing daughters I can not agree more!! I love to praise God while dancing.
**Just not at Mass!
**Here we part ways.
And with so many Americans literally running out of the Happy Catholic churches to the Evangelical churches, where is this great spiritual renewal you talk about.
Stop drinking the “Spirit of Vatican II” Kool aid and understand. No matter what your DRE and Liturgical Committee state, this kind of innovation has pushe people away.
Do it in the Fellowship Hall after.
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axolotl
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I had my first expierience with liturgical dance last weekend at a St Cecilia’s Day event.
I saw on the program that a group of “praise dancers” was going to perform.
I sat there wondering if they actually perform during mass, or if this is just something they do at different venues. Then I started wondering if it would be okay anyway as the Catholic parish they come from is predominately black, and that very often at blackchurches, the congragation does get very energized during worship, including during music.
Then they performed. Only two of dancer’s were young. The others were middle aged to downright elderly. And did this silly interpretive/modern dance type thing with lots of flowing gestures.
There was also an African Dance Troupe from an all girls Catholic High School. They were actually quite good. Said high school also brought their gospel choir.
I saw on the program that a group of “praise dancers” was going to perform.
I sat there wondering if they actually perform during mass, or if this is just something they do at different venues. Then I started wondering if it would be okay anyway as the Catholic parish they come from is predominately black, and that very often at blackchurches, the congragation does get very energized during worship, including during music.
Then they performed. Only two of dancer’s were young. The others were middle aged to downright elderly. And did this silly interpretive/modern dance type thing with lots of flowing gestures.
There was also an African Dance Troupe from an all girls Catholic High School. They were actually quite good. Said high school also brought their gospel choir.
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Zooey
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Is there any possibility that Fr Amorth might be willing to drop in my Methodist church the next time
gopray2: please, God, after I am long, long, gone to my last reward!), that our “liturgical dancer” is on the 
menu–oops, I mean, scheduled to “perform”?People who say, any time, any place but mass, have mercy on those of us who may be driven to:banghead: tearing out our hair & screaming, if she ever, ever, appears again!!
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RomanRyan1088
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Now wait a minute,
During WYD this year, wasn’t their some people performing their native African dance for Pope B16? I think so, so if it is good enough for the pope, it is good enough for me. (And this was done right before Adoration).
Shalom,
Ryan
During WYD this year, wasn’t their some people performing their native African dance for Pope B16? I think so, so if it is good enough for the pope, it is good enough for me. (And this was done right before Adoration).
Shalom,
Ryan
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