When is satan cast out of heaven?

[bogeydogg]

I think Satan’s fall occurred in Eden the reason why is God declares all of His work to be very good. The word all means, yo know… all, including the angels of whom Lucifer is one.

I think Satan is cast down from his angelic position but still has legal standing before God because Adam had abdicated his right to govern the Earth when He fell. Which is why Satan is called the ruler of the Earth many times in the Gospels but never again after the Passion. We know however that Satan because has legal access to God’s Throne because of Job.

However Jesus speaks repeatedly of binding the strong man and making his house empty which I think occurs at the beginning (the desert temptations) and end (Golgotha) of His ministry on Earth.

Afterward Paul tells us, “Who can bring a charge against God elect, it is God who justifies” (Romans 8:33). In this passage the Apostle is telling us to have faith that God will bring us safely home as we walk in the faith by His grace.

The point is, I think, that Satan’s legal and moral authority to stand before God is broken during the Ministry of Jesus.

So when does Satan fall? To when exactly is Jesus referring when He says, “I saw Satan fall like lightning…”? I think the answer is in Rev 12.

First off, even though I am protestant, I think the woman spoken of in Rev 12 is Mary Mother of God, and the son she brings forth is the One who will rule with a rod of iron which can only be Jesus. The Bible tells us that the Dragon marshals his forces to consume the child, but God protects them both. THEN there is a war in Heaven and no place is found for the dragon or his angels anymore.

I think the plain reading is that Satans fall occurs utterly when he is defeated by the One.

God Bless

 

[peeteyg]

Wow, this topic is getting even more interesting. We are all under his evil temptation, but we are given grace to overcome sin. I like the perspective of the last poster, and I kinda agree with it but I am still confused and looking for guidance.

 

[Brian_Culliton]

As Bogeydogg pointed out, there is a distinction between the “fall” of Satan and the “casting out of heaven.” Those are two different things.

It is obvious from Job that Satan had already fallen from whatever status he once had, but still had access to the throne of God. If we can understand why Satan had access to God then I think we can also understand why and when he was cast to the earth and denied further access to God.

We know that God gave His righteous Law through Moses, Paul said that this Law accomplished only one thing for those who were under it; it acknowledged their sin. If there were no Law there would be no sin. Adam would not have sinned by eating the forbidden fruit if God did not command that he not eat of it. And Paul tells us that even those who were not under the Law were under a “natural law” governed by their conscience. So as Paul said, “Where there is no law there is no sin.” (Rom. 4:15) If there were no law there would be no transgression because there would be nothing to transgress, and if there were nothing to transgress there would be no sin.

Because our God is righteous, he could not deny Satan access to His throne so long as His law was in force. So long as the Law is in force, Satan’s accusations are legitimate. But because of His love for us, God gave us His Son who set aside His glory and became one of us. He was born and raised under the Law and the Law could not convict Him. He was judged by the righteous Law of God and was found innocent. Then, out of love for us, He exchanged His innocence for our guilt and killed it on the cross. Thus Jesus fulfilled the Law within Himself and extinguished the power it had over us. Until this happened, Satan appeared to have the victory. This is why John wept when he saw that there was no one worthy to open the scroll, until the angel showed him the Lamb that was slain and told him that He had prevailed. Jesus defeated Satan at the cross thereby crushing the serpent’s head.

Once Christ prevailed, Satan’s accusations before the throne of God were no longer justified. The Law and all its penalties were fulfilled in Christ and room was found no more for Satan in heaven. Jesus revealed that He saw Satan falling from heaven like a stare, indicating that Satan’s defeat was immanent.

Since the time Satan was cast out of heaven, he has been at war with the people of God and is doing everything possible to keep others from hearing, understanding, or taking seriously the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[ThePapaTX]

Paul quotes Plato in his “through a glass darkly” line. It’s in The Republic.

 

[Benadam]

I don’t think I agree with this, unless I do not understand you correctly. All atonements ever made were only effectual by Christ’s actual sacrifice. Here is what Peter said,

 

[Benadam]

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think Satan’s fall occurred in Eden the reason why is God declares all of His work to be very good. The word all means, yo know… all, including the angels of whom Lucifer is one.

He hasn’t lost that right.

So when does Satan fall? To when exactly is Jesus referring when He says, “I saw Satan fall like lightning…”? I think the answer is in Rev 12.

well, then you believe Jesus was describing something thathappened in eternity since Rev 12 is describing a vision of heaven.

First off, even though I am protestant, I think the woman spoken of in Rev 12 is Mary Mother of God, and the son she brings forth is the One who will rule with a rod of iron which can only be Jesus. The Bible tells us that the Dragon marshals his forces to consume the child, but God protects them both. THEN

there is a war in Heaven and no place is found for the dragon or his angels anymore.
You know that woman is also validly seen as Eve, Israel, Jesus’ mother, the Church. A vision of heavenly reality is a vision of eternal reality, spiritual reality, all of which can’t be bound into the confines of time and space. Prophecy is like Jesus. It was, is, and is to come.

I think the plain reading is that Satans fall occurs utterly when he is defeated by the One.

I’ll amen that:thumbsup:

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[Cashue]

Satan was cast out of Heaven at the very beginning of Creation.

This is correct, before Job before adam and eve before anything, satan was cast out of heaven and was no longer able to go there - when he spoke to God in the book of Job he was communicating from the earth where he permenently lives.

Pearly1 is absolutely correct

 

[bogeydogg]

IGod creates each moment and at this moment would claim all of is work very good. His work is so good that works of evil are turned to works of good. Before sin and death entered the world God said , ‘it is not good that the man is alone’ Creatures that naturally exist in eternity can’t be characterized as existing in a state of becoming.

Of course I agree that God providentially governs creation moment by moment and neither do I subscribe tot he divine watchmaker idea of this, but you will surely agree that there was a moment when God created the universe ex nihilo and after that creative act God pronounced it very good and rested from His creative work. I think we have to be careful in not playing fast and loose with what terms mean because Scripture does not recognize a continuation of Creation after the Creation.

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