When will Protestantism dissapear?

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Originally Quoted by ahimsa:

Arianism didn’t disappear (Isaac Newton adhered to it); neither did Gnosticism.

As for Protestantism: the urge to protest will never go away. 🙂
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I knew somebody was going to say that 🙂

Yes, Arianism has never *completely *gone away, but you’d be hard pressed to find many people today (besides eccentrics and intellectuals) who strictly adhere to it.

In addition to Newton, I believe that the English poet John Milton also had Arian tendencies, and the poet William Blake is known to have had Gnostic theological views. I’m pretty sure that I’ve come across other famous Westerners who embraced christological views different from the one most prevalent in Western Christianity, but I can’t remember them at this moment.

Elaine Pagels is a modern adherent to Gnosticism, I believe.
 
Good protestant. Isn’t that an oxymoron. :eek: Did I just say that. :yup:
 
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atheos_sum:
and, perchance, better a bad catholic than a good modernist?
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Actually, I was thinking of bad Catholic and Modernist as about the same thing in a theological sense.
 
There have always been heracies and there always will be until the second coming. To relegate it to a meer annoyance could be accomplished with enough work however.
 
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Madaglan:
I knew somebody was going to say that 🙂

Yes, Arianism has never *completely *gone away, but you’d be hard pressed to find many people today (besides eccentrics and intellectuals) who strictly adhere to it.
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That’s partly because if someone denies the Godhood of Christ nowadays, they will simply claim He was a purely human prophet, rather than go through the complications of Arianism (e.g., Christ pre-existed before creation, but is not un-created).
 
Um, isn’t it the Catholic Church that is becoming more and more ecumenical; and the Protestants more divisive? Which one will be more useful to the big AC?

SwT
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atheos_sum:
you guys are hilarious.

maybe the protestants are connected with the anti-christ and how, like, he’s supposed to, like, make us all believe that all religions are the same n stuff.
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We Anababtists are sticking around too! 😛 And don’t bother fighting cause we dont’t fight back!
 
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Catholic29:
Could you provide an example please?
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Oh, like things like saying Jews don’t need to be evangelized, the Pope visiting Buddhist shrines and bowing to statues, saying we all basically worship the same God even if we’re Muslims or American Indians. This is what I’ve heard; correct me if I’m wrong.
I’ve also heard that the Episcopal and Lutheran churches are being encouraged to come under the Catholic umbrella with some minor tweaking on both sides to make everybody happy. I’m not real knowledgeable about all this; this is just the impression I’ve received at my church.

SwT
 
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SweetTeacher:
Oh, like things like saying Jews don’t need to be evangelized, the Pope visiting Buddhist shrines and bowing to statues, saying we all basically worship the same God even if we’re Muslims or American Indians. This is what I’ve heard; correct me if I’m wrong.
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I’m not sure where you heard these quotes, but I can tell you unequivocally that Rome has never said these things. Here is post from the EWTN Q&A which answers your assumption that the Catholic Church is out of the business of evangelizing non-Christians. And the Pope has never bowed to graven images as many biased non-Catholics tend to assert, and here Fr. Vincent Serpa explains how the Catholic Church understands them to be.
I’ve also heard that the Episcopal and Lutheran churches are being encouraged to come under the Catholic umbrella with some minor tweaking on both sides to make everybody happy. I’m not real knowledgeable about all this; this is just the impression I’ve received at my church.

SwT
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I don’t know where you get this exactly, but it seems like it could be referring to the Lutheran-Catholic joint declaration on the doctrine of Justification which can be found here , where the Catholic Church and Lutheran World Federation came to an agreement that through Christ alone we are justified and saved through faith.
Joint Declaration:
16.All people are called by God to salvation in Christ. Through Christ alone are we justified, when we receive this salvation in faith. Faith is itself God’s gift through the Holy Spirit who works through word and sacrament in the community of believers and who, at the same time, leads believers into that renewal of life which God will bring to completion in eternal life.
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So neither is conceeding anything here, it is what both Churches have always believed. But of course your Church may have a different understanding of this.
 
As a Protestant who is considering attending RCIA in the fall, I find this to be kind of a rude question. Isn’t it enough to be Catholic and enjoy that you have found what is the right faith and church for you? Why anticipate the demise of what is different from what you believe? It does sadden me to see the “us against them” attitude whether it comes from Protestants or Catholics. I believe that there’s room for everyone’s beliefs and that they all get something of importance out of them.

Amie
 
BeluvdLily,

I’ve made it a practice to visit other forums, for people
of other faiths, and once in a while I’m offended by
something on a given forum.

I take heart from what that faith teaches, and hope
to find those, in that faith, who do not offend me by
speech or attitude.

With a billion members, there are bound to be some
who you will feel at home with. 🙂

Be of good cheer, BeluvdLily, OK?

Kindest regards,

reen12
aka Zusia
 
Thanks for your kind words reen12. Perhaps I should not really be offended but certainly I was surprised. Hate to see anyone being “anti” against another religion and perhaps that is not how this was intended. I just feel that there is room for all of us and each person has to follow their own heart. That may not be a popular view but it’s mine. I would equally not like to see Protestants bashing Catholicism either.

Amie
 
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BeluvdLily:
As a Protestant who is considering attending RCIA in the fall, I find this to be kind of a rude question. Isn’t it enough to be Catholic and enjoy that you have found what is the right faith and church for you? Why anticipate the demise of what is different from what you believe? It does sadden me to see the “us against them” attitude whether it comes from Protestants or Catholics. I believe that there’s room for everyone’s beliefs and that they all get something of importance out of them.

Amie
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I believe a Pope said, can’t remember which one, “error has no rights.” Protestantism is the cause of most of the evils of modern society. Whatever is true in Protestantism is already found in the Catholic Church. One of the greatest things that could happen to mankind would be the disappearance of protestantism through mass conversion back to Christ’s one true Church.
 
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Catholic29:
I’m not sure where you heard these quotes, but I can tell you unequivocally that Rome has never said these things. Here is post from the EWTN Q&A which answers your assumption that the Catholic Church is out of the business of evangelizing non-Christians. And the Pope has never bowed to graven images as many biased non-Catholics tend to assert, and here Fr. Vincent Serpa explains how the Catholic Church understands them to be.

I don’t know where you get this exactly, but it seems like it could be referring to the Lutheran-Catholic joint declaration on the doctrine of Justification which can be found here , where the Catholic Church and Lutheran World Federation came to an agreement that through Christ alone we are justified and saved through faith.

So neither is conceeding anything here, it is what both Churches have always believed. But of course your Church may have a different understanding of this.
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Thanks for the information. I’ll read it more thoroughly when I get some time. I do realize I’ve been getting a very anti-Catholic slant at my non-demonational church.

When I said ‘ecumenical,’ though, isn’t that a term by which the Catholic Church describes itself quite a bit? What exactly do they mean by it then?

Thanks so much! :o

SweetTeacher
 
“Error has no rights!”😃 😃

Isn’t that charming? A real welcome mat for possible
converts, huh? Perhaps we could embroider it on
doormats, and place them before the entry to each
parish house.

G-d have mercy on us all.

reen12
aka Zusia
 
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BeluvdLily:
As a Protestant who is considering attending RCIA in the fall, I find this to be kind of a rude question. Isn’t it enough to be Catholic and enjoy that you have found what is the right faith and church for you? Why anticipate the demise of what is different from what you believe? It does sadden me to see the “us against them” attitude whether it comes from Protestants or Catholics. I believe that there’s room for everyone’s beliefs and that they all get something of importance out of them.

Amie
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I agree with you. I think that sometimes the people on this forum can get a siege mentality. We get accused so many times of not being Christian and having unChristian practices that sometimes we forget that not all Protestants have a prejudice against Catholics. This can be difficult for me because I am in the south where AntiCatholisim seems to run rampant. 😦
 
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deb1:
I agree with you. I think that sometimes the people on this forum can get a siege mentality. We get accused so many times of not being Christian and having unChristian practices that sometimes we forget that not all Protestants have a prejudice against Catholics. This can be difficult for me because I am in the south where AntiCatholisim seems to run rampant. 😦
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And triumphalism is rampant here. It reminds me of the pharisee in the parable, who prayed,“Lord, I thank you that I am not like this publican!” Lots of people on this site sound like,“Lord, I thank you that I am not as this Protestant here. I’m a CATHOLIC!”

I think that we should remember, as Catholics, that while we reject Sola Fide, as our Protestant brothers and sisters understand it, we entirely uphold *Sola Gratia, *“grace alone.” All we have or understand is entirely and completely a gift of the Grace of God. It would be well to remember this.
 
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