When will the insanity end?

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strngrnrth said:
Yeah, I have a mouth on me as well, and I’m accustomed to rough crowds and all that. But when someone asks a question, then starts blathering a mile a second with eyes wild and every word covering a good two octaves or whatever and I try several times to get a word in edgewise but they just speed up the whole time and afterward claim I had nothing to say when in reality I said many pointed things they avoided hearing as hard as they could, I consider myself the default winner, if the conversation were a contest in clarity, sanity, maturity or confidence – but the other person hasn’t learned anything. I have learned only that some people really are that determined to avoid intelligent discussion. It’s saddening and tiring to be exposed to the same statements with no opportunity to turn it into a real conversation. Especially since I already had heard everything those people have to say so many times yet they usually think it’s new and should shatter my world and leave me in awe.:rolleyes: They usually hurry away before they run out of breath.
That’s why I just wear what I have to say. SInce most people are visually oriented, they can’t helpseeing what I said the way they avoid listening to it. Jewelry and T-shirts and so on can have a chance were conversation has little or none.
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comprende - 🙂

I just wear a cross around my neck. Nothing fancy - in fact, quite plain. I carry a little book that has the rosary stuff in it along with a rosary in my backpack/purse.
 
Sepharad said:
I forget where I read it or who said it, but recently I was reading an article online, and what the author said impacted me.

He said that the fact that the church was able to do some of the horrible things they did, is prooof enough that is it not the true religion. Because if it was the true religion, God would never have permitted it to defame His Name in such a way.
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I think you need to be exceedingly cautious what you read on line. One of the biggest joke sayings is: If you read it on the internet, its got to be true, right? 😃

We tend to forget, or not learn about what the world was like back in the “old days”. Societies back then were very violent…there were constant wars…one kingdom trying to best the others. And yes, there were times when the Church became the scapegoat for some things…ended up taking the blame for things created and caused by humans…not the Church.

To place things in a framework that you will surely understand… I’m sure that you have heard any number of stories from different sides regarding “Masada”…

I can only imagine that even with the Jewish people there are different views or opinions on “Masada”. Myself…“having lived by the sword”, I understand what happened there…why the end was the end…the way it was. But can others understand that?

I think you get my point. 😃 Peace!!

For those unfamiliar with “Masada”, and who are curious… go here: jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/masada.html
 
R_not said:
If you want to understand the reasons why some separated then read about Erasmus and Luther to begin with. I can’t recommend any books because I cannot find the book that discusses them. There is a third man who was discussed and I cannot even remember his name.

But, then there was Henry VIII - well, we all know why he split from the Church - he wanted to divorce and marry again. Well, then after Henry’s reign, and the brief time that his son reigned - there came Queen Mary (Bloody Mary) who thought that being a good Catholic meant to burn the Protestants! Well, that is a bad blight on our history also. And it isn’t so much that a Queen did such a thing - that there were those willing to carry out those sorts of orders too. We see that with any thug rule - way too many that are too willing to carry out heinous deeds. Hitler had them, Mao had them, mohammed had them, Pol Pot had them, Stalin had them, etc etc etc.

Much of the reasons that I remember is that the Church was selling the indulgences - basically if a person paid the Church some money they could escape Hell, or at the very least Purgatory. The Church did this at a time when the peasants could not afford to do such things. And then there were other reasons such as the interpretation of the Bible. I don’t remember all the reasons that the book that I cannot find had mentioned. but the Church itself, to me, is to blame for what happened.
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Indulgences were a great aid to true devotion, fostering a spirit of prayer and sacrifice in the name of Christ, not just for one’s own benefit, but for all the faithful.
 
Cathdefender said:
Indulgences were a great aid to true devotion, fostering a spirit of prayer and sacrifice in the name of Christ, not just for one’s own benefit, but for all the faithful.
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I doubt anyone denies that the practice of indulgences was misused and exploited in the time of Leo X to gain money for the church projects.

I watched a very good film about Martin Luther recently, starrring Joseph Fiennes as Luther (btw Fiennes, and his more famous brother Ralph, are Catholics). The film gave a good historical background to the indulgence abuse going on at the time.
 
Sepharad said:
I doubt anyone denies that the practice of indulgences was misused and exploited in the time of Leo X to gain money for the church projects.

I watched a very good film about Martin Luther recently, starrring Joseph Fiennes as Luther (btw Fiennes, and his more famous brother Ralph, are Catholics). The film gave a good historical background to the indulgence abuse going on at the time.
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Of course it did, LUTHER WAS A HERETIC!
 
But whats most interesting about protestants complaining about “indulgences”…how many of them do it?? Many do. They just turn a “blind eye” to it. Reverend “Billy Jo Bob” hawks “healing oil” on his radio televangelism show…for just a “love offering” of $XX, that will heal and cure you from all sin and disease…say AMEN HALLELUYAH!!!

The answer to the OP’s question: When will the insanity end? When the duplicity of our separated brethren ceases to exist. The word “duplicity” brings to mind a joke a Baptist friend told me: He asked me; When is the only time a Baptist doesn’t recognize another Baptist? When they are in a liquor store! 😃 Not trying to be nasty, snide or denigrating…but its really an honest joke. I know protestants who will publicly denounce “drinking liquor”, etc…but you find when you go to their homes…they have some pretty impressive liquor cabinets…and I’m not referring to the “cabinetry”.

It will also cease when they stop misinterpreting the scriptures to fit their Burger King/Have It Your Way at the Church of Whats Happening Now theologies…

Yes, I know there are some “fringe elements” to the Catholic Church, but they are a very small minority who are out of step with the rest…and do not in any way shape or form compromise a main stream section of the Church…or any church.
 
Cathdefender said:
Of course it did, LUTHER WAS A HERETIC!
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Luther was a heretic in the eyes of the Catholic religion, just as Jews who become Christians were and are seen as heretics in the eyes of the Jewish religion.

A heretic is someone who claims to remain part of a certain religion, while adhering to heterodox views that the religion does not share.

So you are right on Luther, at least from an RC point of view.
 
Sepharad said:
Luther was a heretic in the eyes of the Catholic religion, just as Jews who become Christians were and are seen as heretics in the eyes of the Jewish religion.

A heretic is someone who claims to remain part of a certain religion, while adhering to heterodox views that the religion does not share.

So you are right on Luther, at least from an RC point of view.
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And an RC point of view was all that mattered, since the whole world was once Catholic…
 
Cathdefender said:
And an RC point of view was all that mattered, since the whole world was once Catholic…
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And Deo gratias, it is no longer that way! Deo gratias that in our modern world, all religious views are respected (or should be!)
 
Cathdefender said:
And an RC point of view was all that mattered, since the whole world was once Catholic…
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Wow - we must of forgot to tell the Jews, the Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, and various other non-Christian/Catholic faiths that they were once Catholic … and should have remained that way. I’ll pass on that flavor of Kool-Aid - thanks.:rolleyes:

Oh - about those indulgences thingys…
Cathdefender said “Indulgences were a great aid to true devotion, fostering a spirit of prayer and sacrifice in the name of Christ, not just for one’s own benefit, but for all the faithful.” I am sure selling them as a way to raise funds for the Church or Crown or to escape punishment for sins was really looked on favorably by God.👍 My kids go to a wonderful Catholic school - but I sure hope they are not learning this stuff!!

God Bless!
 
I think one of the first things to do to end the insanity is to stop claiming that there are 40,000 denominations of Protestantism. We will not have much success reaching out to Protestants if we spread exaggerations about them.

My husband did some research and found the original source of the “32,000 denominations” figure, and the way that figure was arrived at is pretty dicey. Basically what they did was take all the denominations in each COUNTRY and call them a separate denomination. So in this particular “study,” there are thousands of different Catholic denominations, because the Catholic Church of the U.S.A. is a different “denomination” than the Catholic Church of Canada or Kenya or Deutschland, etc.

You see–it’s twisting the facts around to arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

Another thing that some statistics do is consider each non-denominational and home church a separate “denomination.” I suppose there is a good case for doing this, but I personally think it’s kind of pushing it. A lot of the non-denominational ecclesial bodies and home churches only last a short time; they are basically split-offs from an established denomination, and they believe all the same things that the established denomination believes–they just want to be autonomous (free of the denominational authority). They really aren’t separate denominations, just separate people.

According to several Protestant stats, there are anywhere from 80 to 300 true denominations. Now this is still a horrible, shocking statistic, not at all what Jesus meant when he prayed the prayer for “that they might be one” recorded in John 17! 300 “true churches” of Jesus Christ?! Yikes!

You aren’t hurting your case against divisions in the Church to quote genuine statistics about Protestant denoms rather than exaggerations.
 
emeraldcoast said:
Wow - we must of forgot to tell the Jews, the Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, and various other non-Christian/Catholic faiths that they were once Catholic … and should have remained that way. I’ll pass on that flavor of Kool-Aid - thanks.:rolleyes:

Oh - about those indulgences thingys…
Cathdefender said “Indulgences were a great aid to true devotion, fostering a spirit of prayer and sacrifice in the name of Christ, not just for one’s own benefit, but for all the faithful.” I am sure selling them as a way to raise funds for the Church or Crown or to escape punishment for sins was really looked on favorably by God.👍 My kids go to a wonderful Catholic school - but I sure hope they are not learning this stuff!!

God Bless!
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I think the statement that the whole word was Catholic probably should have been phrased that the only Christian denomination was Catholic. Yes, there was other religions, just not all the different Protestant religions.

Indulgences were misused by the Catholic church a very long time ago. It morphed into more of a - I will give an example: if you say the rosary, or a novena, or a certain number of prayers - you will get x days/months/years knocked off of your purgatory time. Then it was deleted altother - I think Vatican II stopped all that nonsense. I think. But, it was stopped while I was young - just like eating fish on Fridays stopped.
 
emeraldcoast said:
Wow - we must of forgot to tell the Jews, the Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, and various other non-Christian/Catholic faiths that they were once Catholic … and should have remained that way. I’ll pass on that flavor of Kool-Aid - thanks.:rolleyes:

Oh - about those indulgences thingys…
Cathdefender said “Indulgences were a great aid to true devotion, fostering a spirit of prayer and sacrifice in the name of Christ, not just for one’s own benefit, but for all the faithful.” I am sure selling them as a way to raise funds for the Church or Crown or to escape punishment for sins was really looked on favorably by God.👍 My kids go to a wonderful Catholic school - but I sure hope they are not learning this stuff!!

God Bless!
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I am talking about CHRISTIANS only. THERE WERE ONLY CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS in the world, I have been to Europe in several countries and there is a church on every corner. EVERYTHING WAS CATHOLIC. It was the DOMINANT RELIGION until Luther came and screwed things up.
Furthermore, if you had your history right about indulgences, you’d understand it better, but since you are a non-Catholic Christian, I didn’t expect you to.
 
I respect people and their right to their views. The views themselves are not all worthy of respect. There are views based on one leader’s desire for unlimited wealth; there are views based on racism and hate; there are views based on schizophrenia. I wish the best to all who fall into such beliefs, and the best involves dropping those beliefs. To confuse respect for people with respect for ideas can be a dangerous level of imprecision, akin to confusing the speedometer with the odometer.
 
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