When you know people you love are going to Hell

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How do you feel? What do you do?

I know that several people very close to me will go to Hell and I’m not sure how I should feel or react.

Anybody else faced this situation?
 
You know no such thing at all. Every human being is entirely capable of being touched by God’s grace and redeemed while ever there’s a milisecond of life left in their bodies - and if you read up on Perfect Contrition you’ll realise that this redemption can happen minus the sacraments. None of us have any reason or justification for presuming that ANY individual will go to Hell.

If God could touch the heart of Paul and save Him, then He can touch even the hardest heart. And He desires the salvation of each of us more than you could possibly imagine, so He certainly provides more than sufficient graces for each of us.

How about instead of opining on matters of which you have no knowledge, you instead employ that time usefully - to pray for them instead, that they take advantage of God’s grace which He never ceases offering to them until the instant of death. In fact pray for them after their death as well, as St Pio did. God is outside of time and can certainly apply those prayers retroctively (if you will).
 
How do you feel? What do you do?

I know that several people very close to me will go to Hell and I’m not sure how I should feel or react.

Anybody else faced this situation?
Yes.
  1. Maybe, since Hell is the default destination of humanity, and the vast majority of people are going there, it’s not as bad as we’ve been led to believe. (This is extremely unlikely.)
  2. Maybe they will miraculously convert in the last moment of life. (This is also extremely unlikely.)
  3. Maybe it’s more difficult to go to Hell than we have been led to believe. (This is also extremely unlikely.)
The only way to stay sane is to set the best example you possibly can for them, pray for them, and leave their fate in God’s perfectly capable hands. We will understand the reasons why, when the proper time comes. In the meantime, do your best not to worry.
 
Yes.
  1. Maybe, since Hell is the default destination of humanity, and the vast majority of people are going there, it’s not as bad as we’ve been led to believe. (This is extremely unlikely.)
  2. Maybe they will miraculously convert in the last moment of life. (This is also extremely unlikely.)
  3. Maybe it’s more difficult to go to Hell than we have been led to believe. (This is also extremely unlikely.)
The only way to stay sane is to set the best example you possibly can for them, pray for them, and leave their fate in God’s perfectly capable hands. We will understand the reasons why, when the proper time comes. In the meantime, do your best not to worry.
j, I’m surprised that you would so blatantly go against Church teaching as to say that you can presume to predict the eternal fate of the souls of those around you. God isn’t bound by statistical probabilities, surely. And as John Paul II said, it wouldn’t be inconsistent with Church teaching or the Gospel message to believe that Hell was entirely empty of human souls.
 
j, I’m surprised that you would so blatantly go against Church teaching as to say that you can presume to predict the eternal fate of the souls of those around you. God isn’t bound by statistical probabilities, surely. And as John Paul II said, it wouldn’t be inconsistent with Church teaching or the Gospel message to believe that Hell was entirely empty of human souls.
Actually, though the Church does not state whether any single* individual *is in Hell, and we are barred from saying, “So-and-so is in Hell,” we have it from Our Lord’s own mouth that more of us will go to Hell than Heaven. (“Many” will go to Hell; “Few” to Heaven.)
 
j, I’m surprised that you would so blatantly go against Church teaching as to say that you can presume to predict the eternal fate of the souls of those around you.
If I see someone rocketing down a hill towards a brick wall, I know that, without a miracle, that person is going to hit the brick wall, rather suddenly and hard and very unpleasantly. Should I just stand there and wait for the miracle, or should I shout a warning?

I’m not “judging” anyone - I’m just looking at reality, and making a reasonable assumption about the likeliest outcome.
God isn’t bound by statistical probabilities, surely. And as John Paul II said, it wouldn’t be inconsistent with Church teaching or the Gospel message to believe that Hell was entirely empty of human souls.
It is de fide that Hell exists, and that people can go there.

Death-bed conversions are vanishingly rare.

Father Kevin Tumback tells us that 100% of those who get baptized on their death-beds were involved already in RCIA, before they ever knew they were sick. Without exception, who receives the Sacrament of the Sick on his or her death bed has been an actively practicing Catholic from since before they got sick; Father Kevin says that when he goes to hear Confessions at the hospital, it is always, “one week since my last Confession” or “one month since my last Confession” - it is never, ever a First Confession, and only extremely rarely, longer than one year since their last confession.

We die as we live. If we are not living in the Faith, we will not die in it.
 
If I see someone rocketing down a hill towards a brick wall, I know that, without a miracle, that person is going to hit the brick wall, rather suddenly and hard and very unpleasantly. Should I just stand there and wait for the miracle, or should I shout a warning?

I’m not “judging” anyone - I’m just looking at reality, and making a reasonable assumption about the likeliest outcome.

It is de fide that Hell exists, and that people can go there.

Death-bed conversions are vanishingly rare.

Father Kevin Tumback tells us that 100% of those who get baptized on their death-beds were involved already in RCIA, before they ever knew they were sick. Without exception, who receives the Sacrament of the Sick on his or her death bed has been an actively practicing Catholic from since before they got sick; Father Kevin says that when he goes to hear Confessions at the hospital, it is always, “one week since my last Confession” or “one month since my last Confession” - it is never, ever a First Confession, and only extremely rarely, longer than one year since their last confession.

We die as we live. If we are not living in the Faith, we will not die in it.
Redemption is certainly not dependent upon reception of the sacraments, although obviously it is more than highly desirable that those who can do so should. Rather it is dependent on perfect contrition - which is a gift of God and not something we merit or procure for ourselves, whether by living a good life previous or otherwise.

Who says we die as we live - especially when God wills the contrary, as He wills salvation for all of us. How did the Good Thief live prior to those last few moments of his life next to Jesus on the Cross? Did he not at that last moment, after a life of sin, confess his evil, saying that he deserved his crucifixion? Did not Jesus promise Him paradise based on those last few moments, precisely so that we could live in great hope of salvation for all those around us, no matter how many their previous sins? Rather than ‘reasonable assumptions’ of their damnation?

God, thank Himself, is well above and beyond human reason, and to assume any individual is damned or nearly so is totally UNreasonable given His boundless mercy and grace.
 
I have wondered this myself and I think that whatever happens will be God’s Will and will be the right thing.
 
Redemption is certainly not dependent upon reception of the sacraments, although obviously it is more than highly desirable that those who can do so should. Rather it is dependent on perfect contrition - which is a gift of God and not something we merit or procure for ourselves, whether by living a good life previous or otherwise.
A Perfect Act of Contrition is difficult even for Catholics. Non-Catholics are not even aware of the need for it; how are they going to do this, at the moment of death.

I have never been close to death, but I have been in a lot of pain, and believe me, when you think you are dying (even if you are not) it is extremely difficult even to pray the most ordinary prayer, let alone an Act of Contrition.
Who says we die as we live
Jesus does. “He who lives by the sword shall die by it; therefore put away thy sword.”
  • especially when God wills the contrary, as He wills salvation for all of us.
He also wills happiness and faith on the earth, but not all are happy, and not all are faithful.
How did the Good Thief live prior to those last few moments of his life next to Jesus on the Cross? Did he not at that last moment, after a life of sin, confess his evil, saying that he deserved his crucifixion?
Take note that there was also another thief there, who had the same opportunity for a last-minute conversion, and did not take it.
 
A Perfect Act of Contrition is difficult even for Catholics. Non-Catholics are not even aware of the need for it; how are they going to do this, at the moment of death.
No-one says it has to be at the moment of death, where comes the idea that it must be? As long as no further mortal sin is committed afterwards, it can be a month, a year or a decade prior to death. Time will not be lacking if the will to repent is there.
I have never been close to death, but I have been in a lot of pain, and believe me, when you think you are dying (even if you are not) it is extremely difficult even to pray the most ordinary prayer, let alone an Act of Contrition.
Agreed - but then perfect contrition isn’t a prayer, it’s a disposition of the soul as all contrition is. One doesn’t need to pray an act of perfect contrition in order to HAVE perfect contrition and so be saved.

Furthermore, as I said, it is not something one does or cultivates for oneself, but a grace given by God, which can be given at any time of life. So again, the state of one’s prior life is no barrier.
Jesus does. “He who lives by the sword shall die by it; therefore put away thy sword.”
But Peter DID live by the sword, and didn’t die by it. 🤷
Take note that there was also another thief there, who had the same opportunity for a last-minute conversion, and did not take it.
So is Our Lord here trying to tell us the odds are 50-50? Not too shabby. 😛 😉
 
How do you feel? What do you do?

I know that several people very close to me will go to Hell and I’m not sure how I should feel or react.

Anybody else faced this situation?
Zamudio, this is what you do: You tell yourself the truth - that you don’t know if they’re really going to hell. Then you pray for them so they don’t.

You never know if they really are going to hell, but maybe one of your prayers will save them from their ill-begotten fate.

Don’t assume Osama Bin Laden or Hitler even will be in Hell. If they have a chance of being saved, then your friends/family will certainly have a chance.
 
No-one says it has to be at the moment of death, where comes the idea that it must be? As long as no further mortal sin is committed afterwards, it can be a month, a year or a decade prior to death. Time will not be lacking if the will to repent is there.
If you continue to live after making a Perfect Act of Contrition, you have to go to Confession at the next reasonable opportunity, since a Perfect Act of Contrition includes the explicit intention to make a full confession of sins to a priest. It’s only if you die immediately after making an Act of Perfect Contrition, that you don’t have the requirement to go to Confession afterwards.
But Peter DID live by the sword, and didn’t die by it. 🤷
What makes you say he lived by the sword? Christianity under his papacy was a religion of peace - the sword didn’t come into Christianity until the time of St. Augustine, and even then, it was only for self-defense. :confused:
So is Our Lord here trying to tell us the odds are 50-50? Not too shabby. 😛 😉
:rolleyes: 😛

No, He is saying, don’t count your death-bed conversions, before they hatch. 😉
 
If you continue to live after making a Perfect Act of Contrition, you have to go to Confession at the next reasonable opportunity, since a Perfect Act of Contrition includes the explicit intention to make a full confession of sins to a priest. It’s only if you die immediately after making an Act of Perfect Contrition, that you don’t have the requirement to go to Confession afterwards.
That requirement surely exists only for Catholics - for non-Catholics, not having the option to confess sacramentally, it wouldn’t be a requirement of Perfect Contrition. In addition, of course in some circumstances one may be without means of going to confession for quite some time prior to being incapacitated by serious illness.
What makes you say he lived by the sword? Christianity under his papacy was a religion of peace - the sword didn’t come into Christianity until the time of St. Augustine, and even then, it was only for self-defense. :confused:
He’d just chopped off the High Priest’s servant’s ear (and wasn’t he the one who commented about them having two swords beforehand?) remember. It wasn’t with a pair of scissors! Hence Jesus’ comments.

Certainly Peter could be as much said to be ‘living by the sword’ as most any sinner can be said to be ‘living by’ their sin - most of us don’t make our sins our actual profession, or anything like, after all. You were the one who made the comment a reference to living a life of sin, which I’m not altogether convinced it was meant to be.
No, He is saying, don’t count your death-bed conversions, before they hatch. 😉
No, but don’t discount God’s grace and mercy before THEY hatch either!
 
Actually, though the Church does not state whether any single* individual *is in Hell, and we are barred from saying, “So-and-so is in Hell,” we have it from Our Lord’s own mouth that more of us will go to Hell than Heaven. (“Many” will go to Hell; “Few” to Heaven.)
I don’t think that is quite the quote. I believe it is something like, “the path to eternal life is narrow and few find it.”

“few find it”, but possibly many are led.
Perhaps I am being overly optimistic.
 
I know that several people very close to me will go to Hell and I’m not sure how I should feel or react.

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no, you do not know, I don’t know, your priest does not know, the pope does not know, nobody knows who is going to hell or who is in hell.
you pray and keep praying for those who you care about as long as you have breath.
 
I don’t think that is quite the quote. I believe it is something like, “the path to eternal life is narrow and few find it.”

“few find it”, but possibly many are led.
Perhaps I am being overly optimistic.
Or Our Lord might’ve been somewhat hyperbolic - as when He said ‘if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out’ etc etc, which passage no Christian in history except Tertullian has ever been known to take literally!
 
My 2 cents for what they’re worth… given inflation… not much.

I had a cousin several months ago drop suddenly getting ice from his freezer. My father has a neighbor who dropped mowing his lawn… lawn mower still running. I know of a guy who’s heart stopped in an AA meeting while he was talking, he just went silent, but he was saved through cpr. Not everyone has the opportunity for conversion cause death comes like a thief in the night.

I don’t assume anyone is in hell including Judas. When I pray for the departed I pray for all of the departed. Because God’s mercy is infinite no one can know who is or isn’t there.

I’m going to take the opportunity to make a plug for my favorite prayer, The Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary. I encourage those who pray it to continue, and those who don’t to start.

Here is a list of the promises of the Rosary:
  1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.
  2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
  3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
  4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish;** it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God**; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5.** The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.**
  1. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
    **
    7.
    ** Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.****
  2. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
  3. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
  4. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
  5. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
  6. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
  7. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.
  8. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15.** Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.**
 
How do you feel? What do you do?

I know that several people very close to me will go to Hell and I’m not sure how I should feel or react.

Anybody else faced this situation?
What will be, will be. But there is much that we can do in the meantime. We must become holy. The holier we are, the better God will look with favor on all.

My suggestion to you is to research the prayers and devotions which have the promises or especial favor of God. The green scapular, the rosary, the brown scapular, the Fifteen Prayers of St. Bridget, for the holy souls, the Precious Blood, and further. I believe that many in my family will be saved because of these, and I should not neglect to spread them further afar.

Pray for the people, and pray for the people you love least as well as most.

Speak to them about God from the place they are in and take the small steps, step by step to show them the way. The more love and sacrifice you have to offer, the more you will be heard in Heaven.

‘But oh, I see that by speaking in this manner of all in general, I am missing my point. So let us apply this truth to various states, and you will understand that you must either throw away reason, experience and the common sense of the faithful, or confess that the greater number of Catholics is damned. Is there any state in the world more favorable to innocence in which salvation seems easier and of which people have a higher idea than that of priests, the lieutenants of God? At first glance, who would not think that most of them are not only good but even perfect; yet I am horror-struck when I hear Saint Jerome declaring that although the world is full of priests, barely one in a hundred is living in a manner in conformity with state; when I hear a servant of God attesting that he has learned by revelation that the number of priests who fall into hell each day is so great that it seemed impossible to him that there be any left on earth; when I hear Saint Chrysostom exclaiming with tears in his eyes, “I do not believe that many priests are saved; I believe the contrary, that the number of those who are damned is greater.”’

‘So then, I am speaking to you who live in the habit of mortal sin, in hatred, in the mire of the vice of impurity, and who are getting closer to hell each day. Stop, and turn around; it is Jesus who calls you and who, with His wounds, as with so many eloquent voices, cries to you, “My son, if you are damned, you have only yourself to blame: ‘Thy damnation comes from thee.’ Lift up your eyes and see all the graces with which I have enriched you to insure your eternal salvation.”’

St. Leonard of Port Maurice

‘The worthy priest is an angel of purity in mind and body, a cherub of light and knowledge, a seraph of love and Charity, an apostle of zeal in work and sanctity, a little god on earth in power and authority, in patience and benignity. He is the living image of Christ in this world, of Christ watching, praying, preaching, catechizing, working, weeping, going from town to town, from village to village, suffering, agonizing, sacrificing Himself and dying for the souls created to His image and likeness. . . He is the light of those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death. He is the destroyer of error, schisms and heresies, the converter of sinners, the sanctifier of the just, the strength of the weak, the consolation of the afflicted, the treasure of the poor. He is the confusion of hell, the glory of heaven, the terror of demons, the joy of angels, the ruin of Satan’s kingdom, the establishment of Christ’s empire, the ornament of the Church. . .’

St. Jean Eudes

‘Get out of the filth of the horrible torrent of this world, the torrent of thorns that is whirling you into the abyss of eternal perdition. . . This torrent is the world, which resembles an impetuous torrent, full of garbage and evil odours, making a lot of noise but flowing swiftly passed, dragging the majority of men into the pit of perdition.’

St. Jean Eudes

‘If the devil tempts me by the thought of divine justice, I think of God’s mercy; if he tries to fill me with presumption by the thought of His mercy, I think of His justice.’

St. Ignatius of Loyola

What joy is it to the guardian angel to conduct a pure soul! My children, when a soul is pure, all Heaven looks upon it with love! Pure souls will form the circle round Our Lord. The more pure we have been on earth, the nearer we shall be to Him in Heaven. When the heart is pure, it cannot help loving, because it has found the source of love, which is God. “Happy,” says Our Lord, "are the pure in heart, because they shall see God!

My children, we cannot comprehend the power that a pure soul has over the good God. It is not he who does the will of God, it is God who does his will.’

St. Jean Marie Baptiste Vianney, the Cure of Ars
 
You know no such thing at all. Every human being is entirely capable of being touched by God’s grace and redeemed while ever there’s a milisecond of life left in their bodies - and if you read up on Perfect Contrition you’ll realise that this redemption can happen minus the sacraments. None of us have any reason or justification for presuming that ANY individual will go to Hell.

If God could touch the heart of Paul and save Him, then He can touch even the hardest heart. And He desires the salvation of each of us more than you could possibly imagine, so He certainly provides more than sufficient graces for each of us.

How about instead of opining on matters of which you have no knowledge, you instead employ that time usefully - to pray for them instead, that they take advantage of God’s grace which He never ceases offering to them until the instant of death. In fact pray for them after their death as well, as St Pio did. God is outside of time and can certainly apply those prayers retroctively (if you will).
I agree with this in terms of “normal” people but I am talking of one person who is an active Satanist, another who calls herself a Witch of a Pagan/Wiccan religion and several militant atheists who detest religion and the consept of anything other than what they can see. They also all despise Christianity in particular.

Otherwise I would pray for them and hope for the best but I can’t see a single one of them going anywhere but hell.
 
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