Where are the Bible verses to back up baby sprinkling?

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Show me anywhere in the bible when it mentions pugatory and Ill believe in it. Oh how foolish of me I forgot. Its another one of our we can’t prove it from the Bible so therefore it must be a church tradation.
The Doctrine of Purgatory Proved from Scripture

2 Maccabees 12:42-46
Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen. He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; or if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

Even those Christians who deny that Maccabees 1 & 2 belong are inspired and belong in the canon of the Old Testament must admit that this passage reveals that the Jews believed that that the living may pray for the dead and make sacrifices for them in order that they might be freed from the sins they had committed. It was with this cultural understanding as a backdrop that the following New Testament verses come into focus.

Matthew 12:32
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.


Does this not imply that some sins can be forgiven in the age to come? Obviously, there is no sin to forgive in heaven, and sin is not forgiven in hell because it’s too late and judgment is permanent. Therefore, the “world to come” where sin can still be forgiven must be a third, distinct place.

Luke 12:42-48
The Lord answered, "Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the menservants and maidservants and to eat and drink and get drunk. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. "That servant who knows his master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”

Notice that there are not two but three categories of servants in this parable: 1) the “wise and faithful manager” who is rewarded (heaven); 2) the unfaithful servant who knows his master’s will but does not do it and who is “cut to pieces and assigned a place with the unbelievers (hell)l; and 3) the one “who does not know and does things deserving punishment.” This final servant is beaten with “few blows” (purgatory).

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

1 Peter 1:7
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.
 
I think you are grasping at straws trying to make a pitch for purgatory with II Maccabees 12:43-46. It is best not try to make a whole doctrinal statement on one obscure ambigious statement without any additional scriptural support. And I would also suggest that you spend your time praying for the living and let the dead burry thier dead.
See my post above.

And respond if you have anything useful.

Thanks.
 
God
Thank you for pointing out my error I am not sorry I did what I did and At the time I didn’t belong to the CC and since then which was 3o years ago I have rejoined the Catholic Church and have been welcomed back without all the strings you present. Whew I am glad you are not God. The God I know is a very loving God
The “strings” are called obedience, and both God and the Church demand it of us.

The rub here is that you have been informed that what you did in being re-baptized is wrong - even if you did it innocently. Yet, instead of being humble and admitting your error and thanking those who have educated you about the plain teaching of the Church, you have turned on those who have told you the truth attacking them as if THEY (and not you) are in the wrong.
 
Hi, Tweetymom,

Maybe you will learn more on another thread. May I suggest you choose your words more carefully in telling ‘your story’. Rebaptism - no matter your personal feelings on the matter - is condemned by the Catholic Church. Conditional baptism is probably what is at the root of this matter - but, I know you would never make such a mistake as misclassifying this event.

Surely, someone 80 years of age has mroe then one ‘story’ they can tell -
As I said there are a lot of things here on this thread
1.How to be rude(well I already knew this one)
2. how to be judgemental
3. how to tell people they are going to hell
4. How not to show Christ love towards anyone that doesn’t fit the mold of what you think Catholics be
5How to make someone feel not welcome
6.How not to understand others feelings
7 If a non Catholic came into this thread how not to help them realize that being Catholic is feeling the love of Christ
8How that most people think they are the final authority on the Churcn
9. How to keep the bashing going even if it isn’t Christ like
10How to be glad that all the Catholics are not like the ones on this thread
11 To share this thread to my Pastor and shake his head and said you all would be prayed for as well as myself:thumbsup:
One more would be how you ‘escaped’ from this thread and survived all this criticism! Imagine! 😃

God bless
 
The “strings” are called obedience, and both God and the Church demand it of us.

The rub here is that you have been informed that what you did in being re-baptized is wrong - even if you did it innocently. Yet, instead of being humble and admitting your error and thanking those who have educated you about the plain teaching of the Church, you have turned on those who have told you the truth attacking them as if THEY (and not you) are in the wrong.
informed by whom you?Apparently my Bishop has a kinder heart than you I cannot I did a wrong thing when I did not and according to the Bishop it is bhind. me and nothing to be ashamed Remember Jesus said not to worry about the mote in my eye before you clean the beam out of youingofme go for it you are the one in the end rs, And if you are enjoying this bashwho will have to answer to God. Oh I forgot you are near perfect;)
 
Hi, Tweetymom,

Maybe you will learn more on another thread. May I suggest you choose your words more carefully in telling ‘your story’. Rebaptism - no matter your personal feelings on the matter - is condemned by the Catholic Church. Conditional baptism is probably what is at the root of this matter - but, I know you would never make such a mistake as misclassifying this event.

Surely, someone 80 years of age has mroe then one ‘story’ they can tell -

One more would be how you ‘escaped’ from this thread and survived all this criticism! Imagine! 😃

God bless/QUOTE
By the way I am 70 years old and it wasn’t even in the CC were I was rebaptise’ I have survived this thread cause I am a tough old broad who tells it like it is and am not y Priest ar Bishop have heard m,y story an never condemed me 👍 And God Bless you too
 
informed by whom you?Apparently my Bishop has a kinder heart than you I cannot I did a wrong thing when I did not and according to the Bishop it is bhind. me and nothing to be ashamed Remember Jesus said not to worry about the mote in my eye before you clean the beam out of youingofme go for it you are the one in the end rs, And if you are enjoying this bashwho will have to answer to God. Oh I forgot you are near perfect;)
Let’s make this simple, okay?
  1. Does the Catholic Church reject the idea of more than one baptism? Yes or no.
  2. Have you been baptized more than once? Yes or no.
  3. If you do something that is contrary to Church teaching, should you repent or confess that fact? Yes or no.
 
Let’s make this simple, okay?
  1. Does the Catholic Church reject the idea of more than one baptism? Yes or no.
  2. Have you been baptized more than once? Yes or no.
  3. If you do something that is contrary to Church teaching, should you repent or confess that fact? Yes or no.
  1. Are you a Priest?
    2 you already know the answer to that so the question is a little dumb
    3 Have you ever done anything contory to the church and ;)are you perfect and if you are you must have already made it to heaven
4 and other than sharing my expreience and thats all it is all about except for your perfect attitude I don’t have to have your okay
6 and I wasn’t judged by my Priest so where do you come in telling me how bad you think I :Dam
7 I will continue to share where I have been and my journey back to CC
 
  1. Are you a Priest?
    2 you already know the answer to that so the question is a little dumb
    3 Have you ever done anything contory to the church and ;)are you perfect and if you are you must have already made it to heaven
So, if someone is about to wander off a cliff by accident, I’m not allowed to warn them, because one time a long time ago, I stubbed my toe because I wasn’t looking where I was going.

Gotcha. 👍
 
"I do not EVER remember any child actually deciding he/she did not WANT to become a Christian nor were they given that choice.You mention that confirmation occurs at the age of 14+ now. Is there an element of CHOICE in the Catholic church today when preparing young people for confirmation?I have been out of the “loop” for a few years. Thank you for your answer. NLM "

Sorry NLM if I’m responding to your post (25) if you’ve received an answer. I asked all 3 of my children if they were ready for confirmation and if they wanted to do it. I explained what it meant and would not have made them go through the 9 month process if they didn’t want to. Of course I prayed about it and it was my hope that they said yes. And all of them did. In our diocese, confirmation is made in 9th grade, they have 3 charity/community service projects to complete, 2 retreats, 2 interviews and a meeting with the priest, 6 weeks of cluster group meetings, a study book to complete with their sponser, and probably some other things that I’m forgetting! My point is, there are many reflections to go through when CONTEMPLATING the sacrament of confirmation. The candidate may decide at the very end that they are not ready for that step, and they all know that this an option for them. Sorry all for getting off topic
 
"I do not EVER remember any child actually deciding he/she did not WANT to become a Christian nor were they given that choice.You mention that confirmation occurs at the age of 14+ now. Is there an element of CHOICE in the Catholic church today when preparing young people for confirmation?I have been out of the “loop” for a few years. Thank you for your answer. NLM "

Sorry NLM if I’m responding to your post (25) if you’ve received an answer. I asked all 3 of my children if they were ready for confirmation and if they wanted to do it. I explained what it meant and would not have made them go through the 9 month process if they didn’t want to. Of course I prayed about it and it was my hope that they said yes. And all of them did. In our diocese, confirmation is made in 9th grade, they have 3 charity/community service projects to complete, 2 retreats, 2 interviews and a meeting with the priest, 6 weeks of cluster group meetings, a study book to complete with their sponser, and probably some other things that I’m forgetting! My point is, there are many reflections to go through when CONTEMPLATING the sacrament of confirmation. The candidate may decide at the very end that they are not ready for that step, and they all know that this an option for them. Sorry all for getting off topic
I think it is great that all three of you Children have decided to be confirmed. Hats offf to you for teaching them the way to go:thumbsup:
 
So, if someone is about to wander off a cliff by accident, I’m not allowed to warn them, because one time a long time ago, I stubbed my toe because I wasn’t looking where I was going.

Gotcha. 👍
Gotcha Sir, I didn’t fall offf a cliff and never will. I know that I was in God’s will at the time regardless what you think, but what you think is fine with me and I would never assume to know what God wants you to do, excet one thing He expects from all of uf anf that is to kind and follow the fruits of the Spirit. I have failed at that myself many times but I am thankful my God is not a condemming God and He knows my heart. God Bless:signofcross: Oh and I think that all of you have ridden this horse to death:thumbsup:
 
"I do not EVER remember any child actually deciding he/she did not WANT to become a Christian nor were they given that choice.You mention that confirmation occurs at the age of 14+ now. Is there an element of CHOICE in the Catholic church today when preparing young people for confirmation?I have been out of the “loop” for a few years. Thank you for your answer. NLM "

Sorry NLM if I’m responding to your post (25) if you’ve received an answer. I asked all 3 of my children if they were ready for confirmation and if they wanted to do it. I explained what it meant and would not have made them go through the 9 month process if they didn’t want to. Of course I prayed about it and it was my hope that they said yes. And all of them did. In our diocese, confirmation is made in 9th grade, they have 3 charity/community service projects to complete, 2 retreats, 2 interviews and a meeting with the priest, 6 weeks of cluster group meetings, a study book to complete with their sponser, and probably some other things that I’m forgetting! My point is, there are many reflections to go through when CONTEMPLATING the sacrament of confirmation. The candidate may decide at the very end that they are not ready for that step, and they all know that this an option for them. Sorry all for getting off topic
What you describe is EXACTLY the way it should be not the way it WAS in the catholic church when I was confirmed at age 8.The decision of your 3 children is a reflection of the example you have given them no doubt.You have LIVE out your christianity, they have witnessed it.Threy have NOT been forced nor expected to do anything they themselves did not feel they wanted to do. Good for you. Thank you for answereing my questions. It’s never to late.NLM
 
  1. Are you a Priest?
No.
2 you already know the answer to that so the question is a little dumb
Yes, it was. And now you know the answer to the question, as well.
3 Have you ever done anything contory to the church
Yes. And by the grace of God, I was able to accept correction, admit my error, and confess to a priest when necessary. How about you?
and are you perfect
Not yet.
and if you are you must have already made it to heaven.
See above.
4 and other than sharing my expreience and thats all it is all about except for your perfect attitude I don’t have to have your okay
Okay. 😛
6 and I wasn’t judged by my Priest so where do you come in telling me how bad you think I am
I wasn’t there so I don’t know what you told your priest, what he told you, or how orthodox your priest is/was.
7 I will continue to share where I have been and my journey back to CC
Great. Just don’t scandalize others by extolling the virtues of being re-baptized now that you know it is wrong.

We’re done here.
 
No.

Yes, it was. And now you know the answer to the question, as well.
Yes. And by the grace of God, I was able to accept correction, admit my error, and confess to a priest when necessary. How about you?
Not yet.
See above.
Okay. 😛
I wasn’t there so I don’t know what you told your priest, what he told you, or how orthodox your priest is/was.
Great. Just don’t scandalize others by extolling the virtues of being re-baptized now that you know it is wrong.

We’re done here.
Sorry you feel scandlized. And I do feel great about what I did and I will continue to do so. I am glad that you are not perfect. And my Priest knows the whole story and He is a wonderful Roman Catholic Priest. Wrong? maybe in your eyes. And it will be a good thing when you are done judgeing. Maybe you need to clean up you act a little, 🙂 And m ay God Bless you always
 
What you describe is EXACTLY the way it should be not the way it WAS in the catholic church when I was confirmed at age 8.The decision of your 3 children is a reflection of the example you have given them no doubt.You have LIVE out your christianity, they have witnessed it.Threy have NOT been forced nor expected to do anything they themselves did not feel they wanted to do. Good for you. Thank you for answereing my questions. It’s never to late.NLM
Monk1 and NLM one and same poster. How so?

placido
 
Monk1 and NLM one and same poster. How so?

placido
Last year I registered with the forum for a brief time under the mane Monk1. I did not participate much for health reasons. I did not think that name was still functional so I registerd a few months ago as nlm. Yesterday suddenly Monk1 reappeared.I have no idea why.I will be discontinuing MOnk1 this week when I figure out how.NLM
 
I guess I don’t know what a catholic is. 60% of american catholics voted for Obama-nation the most anti life ,anti church and anti GOD president this nation has ever had. But don’t forget to go to confession, Holy days of obligation and to say your daily rosary. Its the hypocrisy that angers me Instead of the church saying stand up for GOD,be heard , fight the good fight, we invite him to speak at our most sacred Catholic university NOTRE DAME and even let him tape up the Christian symbols so they can’t be seen on TV. Yes I’m an angry catholic like Martin Luther was before he got thrown out of the church. I want to see people who are doers of the word and not hearers only. But not to worry you won’t have to hear from me anymore. Over & Out
No President Obama is not the anti-christ, nor is he anti-church or anti God, what an idea.

You are a very angry something, likely you are confusing radical-right politics with Christinity. Politics and religion are two different things, and you seem to have them confused.
 
I guess I don’t know what a catholic is. 60% of american catholics voted for Obama-nation the most anti life ,anti church and anti GOD president this nation has ever had. But don’t forget to go to confession, Holy days of obligation and to say your daily rosary. Its the hypocrisy that angers me Instead of the church saying stand up for GOD,be heard , fight the good fight, we invite him to speak at our most sacred Catholic university NOTRE DAME and even let him tape up the Christian symbols so they can’t be seen on TV. Yes I’m an angry catholic like Martin Luther was before he got thrown out of the church. I want to see people who are doers of the word and not hearers only. But not to worry you won’t have to hear from me anymore. Over & Out
I would like to know your source of information of where you got that 60% of American Catholics voted for Obama.
 
No President Obama is not the anti-christ, nor is he anti-church or anti God, what an idea.

You are a very angry something, likely you are confusing radical-right politics with Christinity. Politics and religion are two different things, and you seem to have them confused.
I disagree with the tone of mark t cassidy’s post but he is spot-on when it comes to how the majority of Catholics voted . The dignity of human life from conception until natural death is the basis of the rest of Catholic Social teaching. The evidence that Obama is pro-abortion has been posted many times (so I wont rant about that). That the majority of Catholics voted for him is shame and a testimony to poor catechisis. This is way off topic, sorry…
 
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