Where are the men?

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JButky said:
Yes, get actively involved…in the sissification? Is that the method you are proposing? Real men don’t want to become part of something that is currently in that particular state. Real men, instead, shelter and preserve themselves and their children from that first and then design a way to COMBAT it.

The real problem is that IF you are a REAL man and you act accordingly, you get branded a trouble maker and are exiled and/or vilified in the worst cases. And all because you won’t conform to the sissification…It’s either fight it or be controlled by it through re-education. (meaning: warm fuzzies, handholding, “chick” style music, “can’t we all just get along…”, getting “in-touch” with yourself…) Real men will fight it and at the very least avoid it. To simply jump in with both feet and be knowingly swarmed by the warm-fuzzy hive is not in the nature of a real man. Real Men pick and choose their necessary battles wisely. We CHOOSE alternative methods to be active since the current battle is a losing proposition. REAL men are despised in the current state of affairs.

That’s our American culture though and the Church Militant hasn’t escaped it either. Presently, there’s an attempted war by assimilation. You are force fed this stuff and expected to comply. If you don’t, there must be something wrong with you (so saith the sissies). What ever happened to the concept of “Right Reason???”

Yes, get actively involved…but to what end? There are definately at least two opposing sides here. The measures you have proposed stylisticly currently exist in antithesis to real manhood. As a result many men have just “tuned out” and the rest are fighting that battle, only from a different angle.

Joe B
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Get involved actively for the Glory of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit…and the salvation of souls. That goes to all, men and women. (I must admit, I’m not very good at this; this does not at all lessen my duty to Christ and His Holy Church.)
 
rwoehmke said:
Religion is for women. Real men do not need church stuff. That has been an attitude around long before Vatican II was even thought of. Futball and beer is for real guys.
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Keep the football (or futball) if it doesn’t get in the way of your spiritual life. Get rid of the beer.

(BTW, I’m not too fond of football though I’ll watch it once in a while.)
 
PerkyCurlz said:
I have read the threads about EMsHC and female altar servers, and I have noticed a lot of blaming going on. It seems that some here believe that these two things (EMsHC and female altar servers) have led to a decline in vocations and a decline in the faithfulness and seriousness of Catholics – especially in the U.S. Will eliminating the role of EMHC produce more priests, deacons, acolytes, etc.? Are we going to blame the decline in vocations on girls being allowed to be altar servers? Or should we blame this problem on Vatican II? Or is there another reason for the decline in men entering religious vocations?

As it is, not enough men are coming forward to fill these roles within the Church. But is it fair to blame it on those who step forward to help out when there aren’t enough **men **who are willing to take on religious roles?
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It’s an interesting topic, because men have not changed. What I mean by that is…men back in the 50’s let’s say, who were becoming priests more frequently, still struggled with the same things most men struggle with today–loss of companionship with women, loss of sexual life with a woman, loss of material wealth…etc…all of these things were on the minds of men back then, yet they were becoming priests more often? So…what changed?
 
prv said:
Get involved actively for the Glory of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit…and the salvation of souls. That goes to all, men and women. (I must admit, I’m not very good at this; this does not at all lessen my duty to Christ and His Holy Church.)
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Well yes, that’s obvious…But the OP’s original question basically is where are they visibly in the Church? They are being kept out and discouraged.

When their only given option is sissyhood, they’ll choose another method towards the goal that you have accurately framed.
Nobody’s duty is lessened, it’s just that real men have taken a different route. So for the most part, you don’t see them.

Joe B
 
Why not have men present themselves to the Church for altar service and lectoring, w/o fear of those who want to “sissify” the Church? If the priest says no (and there is evidence of male gender bias), then go your way…and find another Catholic church.
 
Dr.Bombay said:
The whole Church has been sissified. We used to be a manly Church. We’re the Church that gave the world the Crusades and the Inquisition. We used to burn heretics at the stake.
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LOVL! hehehehe

I have been in and out of this forum for over 2 years now (mostly out) and I am pretty sure that I have danced with you before Doctor a few years back … I don’t recall you being this harsh before - has something changed? …

I like it!!!
 
aurora77 said:
Good, I’m glad to hear it. I don’t know any of the men who moan about these issues on here, so it makes me skeptical to read their complaints, but not read about what they personally are doing to make things right. Maybe you could get the ball rolling–what do you do in your parish to show a strong male example to the boys in your parish?
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What makes a man GREAT! … A man who humbles himself before God and there is only one place I know of to see this and that is at a Traditional Latin Mass … face it boys - there may be alot go’n on in those N.O. churches but there is NO humbling men before God.

There is nothing finer, more magnificant then to watch a grown man serve God at the foot of His Altar … and I mean SERVE … on your knees!

You know what - it is easy for a women or a child - they both have loving giving natures and a priest - he has given his life to God so it is expected … but a grown man - his nature is to be the Boss … not to serve! So to watch him acknowledge that he is nothing without God … makes him great among men.

Men in N.O. services look like sissified peacocks struting their stuff before their audience - it is really not appealing in anyway shape or form
 
Rara_Avis said:
LOVL! hehehehe

I have been in and out of this forum for over 2 years now (mostly out) and I am pretty sure that I have danced with you before Doctor a few years back … I don’t recall you being this harsh before - has something changed? …

I like it!!!
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Harsh? Moi? I’m just a lovable little teddy bear. Nothing harsh about me.

Though some people do consider the Truth to be harsh. After all, they crucified the Truth 2,000 years ago.

Here’s the bottom line: You get the girls outta the sanctuary, you’ll get the men back in the seminary.

That shall be our rallying cry! 👍
 
Stop whining and start acting. Be a real man.
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I am, I’m in the seminary right now because I took the initiative to go counter to the secular culture around me and follow the call I discern. I put up with ignorant secularists accusing me (in a roundabout ‘joking’ way) of wanting to “have my way with” the altar boys, or even with fellow Catholics who think anyone who wants to be a priest is obviously “effete” because he doesn’t want a wife etc. etc. ad nauseam.

I’m sorry that you don’t see the writing on the wall, but lots of folks think liturgical jobs are “girly” or for closet homosexuals. They are wrong, no doubt about it, but how things are going doesn’t help the issue.

I will grant that girl altar boys and women as EMHC, readers, etc. are not the front and center main issue (which is a crisis of faith) but they are not so insignificant as to be totally discounted. Furthermore, I don’t even think that women should be utterly banned from any and all liturgical functions, I just think we need a more honest inquiry into the matter. One cannot justify throwing 1000 some odd years of tradition out with radical feminism or “it works, so it must be OK”.
 
Dr.Bombay said:
Bull.

The Church began it’s sissification in the 60s about the time, surprise, surprise, vocations started to decline. The plague of women prancing around the sanctuary is just a small symptom of the larger disease.

And, for your information, more and more men are stepping up and we intend to reclaim our Church and there won’t be any women in our sanctuary, thank you very much, no matter what some pencil pusher at the USCCB says.

Sissies…it’s over. Hike your skirts and get out. The boys are back in town. :cool:
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Good observations Doctor!!

When will they get it? Look at the music, for example

As a man, I have no problems singing my heart out to praise and thank the Lord when I hear such hymns as

Holy God We Praise thy Name
O God Almighty Father
Lift High the Cross

But “Gather Us In”??? or Lord of the Dance??? Come On What self respecting guy goes around listening to or singing that kind of stuff outside of church? Sound like somebody light in the loafers is prancing around throwing flowers as they’re waving everyone in from the parking lot!

Or how about holding hands at the Mass say at the Our Father. Did it ever occur to you progressive professional “liturgists” that most guys don’t like to hold other guys’ hands. I’m sorry if that comes as a shock to some of you.

Look, guys don’t need to feel like a bunch of pansies to do the Lord’s work in this world. A man can be kind, charitable, helpful, and giving, without compromising his masculinity.

I can’t tell you how many cultural Catholic men I’ve talked to socially that say that they aren’t practicing in the church because of the “effeminate” factor that has crept in. Would becoming less “touchy feely” bring them back? Probably not. There may be other reasons why they don’t belong anymore. But would it have an impact on the next generation of young men as they leave their families and start off on their own? I think so. And it is worth considering.
 
gelsbern said:
You are correct, vocations started declining in the late 60’s. I would recommend you find and read a book called “Goodbye, Good Men” by Michael S. Rose. It will open your eyes, and I can tell you from first hand experience that what he writes about in that book is the truth.
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I’ve heard about this book—from what I understand all this pedophilia and what not started occuring when they let feminist nuns and other nonsense to teach in the seminaries.

Therefore, for the sake of the children, keep them out!
 
Lord of the Dance??? Come On What self respecting guy goes around listening to or singing that kind of stuff outside of church?
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Let me guess, Gather hymnal? It is a old Shaker’s song, what it is doing in a Catholic hymnal is beyond me.
 
Good article from a recently ordained priest on this issue: THE FORGOTTEN VICE IN SEMINARY FORMATION.

And I echo the sentiments of the folks here who see women in the sanctuary (altar girls, readers, etc.) and the “softening” of of the liturgical texts & prayers, the homilies, the music selection, etc. as harmful to men “getting involved” with the Church.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad
 
Where I come from we have nothing BUT manly men! The play football and drink with their cronies - they hunt and fish an lots even smoke - they are good to their wives and families and they work very hard … but they pray even harder - they stand in line for confession and they acknowledge God.- by their actions not their words (and there is no hugging, kissing or touching involved)

My son (21) brought a girlfriend to Mass once (a non Catholic) and he ended up serving for Benediction. After Mass I asked her how she liked seeing that … her response was “I liked it … I liked it ALOT” she was actually overwhelmed by it … why - because my son is what he is - a hard core 21 yr old - who works hard and plays just as hard … but when he gets close to that Altar watch out! he doesn’t mess around - he is now serving God - reverent, pious and humble and there is no joking. And when an outsider sees this … they just stand back and go WHOA! They are overwhelmed with the magnitude of it all!

And that is only for REAL MEN!
 
I put a lot of the blame on the Church itself. I have wanted to be a Priest for a very long time. The reason I have been turned down is because I don’t have a college degree and of course I don’t have money to go to college. If the Church isn’t willing to give financial support to candidates who can’t afford going to college then they are the ones to blame for the shortage of priests.

I am now trying to enter St. Bernards Abbey in Cullman, AL. I was turned down last year because during my entrance physical I was diagnosed with type 2 non insuline diabetes. I can still work and I have no other health problems at all. I think it’s rediculous that the Church turns people away who have a desire to serve the Lord because of things like minor health problems and because of lack of finances. St. Bernards did tell me to re-apply this year and as long as my diabetes is under control I would more than likely be accepted.

I am just running out of patience with a church that cries about lack of vocations and does absolutely nothing to encourage people who actually want to answer the Lord’s calling.
 
Men and young men like to do manly things with other men, not sissy things with little girls and old ladies. Sorry if that’s offensive, but that’s the facts. Hence why men and young men are nearly completely gone from lecturn, cantor, altor boy etc…

Once the feminization moves into an area it drives the men out, they would rather sign up for a village softball league then commit more time to activities they feel are for women now.
 
While the above post may be true to an extent, most churches were having problems attracting men and young men to these positions long before girls and women were allowed to serve in these capacities. In fact, the reason girls are now altar girls is because in most places they didn’t have enough boys.
 
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