Where are the men?

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In fact, the reason girls are now altar girls is because in most places they didn’t have enough boys.
I don’t believe that’s true at all, I think it had to do with agenda myself.

My Parish has 4,000 people in it, AND a school attached, there’s not one altar boy, ALL are girls, because the boys will be ridiculed as sissy for doing it is my guess, I can’t think of another reason.

I look around and at Sunday Mass probably 300-400 people there, I’m one of maybe ‘10’ 18-30 year old men at Mass. There’s a reason for this, and the feminization of the Church has everything to do with it. Men like to be men, that’s a fact, they won’t get involved in stuff that women primarily do.
 
Men and young men like to do manly things with other men, not sissy things with little girls and old ladies. Sorry if that’s offensive, but that’s the facts. Hence why men and young men are nearly completely gone from lecturn, cantor, altor boy etc…
That’s a shame. Old ladies tend to have a lot of wisdom. They’ve seen the world. Heck some of them probably worked at war jobs and lived in fear of receiving a telegram back during WWII. They probably sacrificed through tough times in order to rear their children. Now, they’ve stepped up to help their beloved Church in whatever capacity they can. But boys don’t want anything to do with them, so they should just sit down and pray, preferably in the corner where they won’t be seen. Seems kind of cruel to so cavalierly dismiss them.

If men are so selfish that they would rather rule in their all-male enclaves than serve at Mass then let them. They wouldn’t have the humility to approach service anyway.
 
That’s a shame. Old ladies tend to have a lot of wisdom. They’ve seen the world. Heck some of them probably worked at war jobs and lived in fear of receiving a telegram back during WWII. They probably sacrificed through tough times in order to rear their children. Now, they’ve stepped up to help their beloved Church in whatever capacity they can. But boys don’t want anything to do with them, so they should just sit down and pray, preferably in the corner where they won’t be seen. Seems kind of cruel to so cavalierly dismiss them.

If men are so selfish that they would rather rule in their all-male enclaves than serve at Mass then let them. They wouldn’t have the humility to approach service anyway.
:rolleyes:

Way to edit out the last sentence and attribute posiibly the worst meaning possible to what I wrote.

I have nothing against old ladies, but I’m also not delusional to think men want to volunteer to do activities done by old ladies and little girls. Men are men, that’s what I’m saying.
 
As many men here have pointed out, they feel uncomfortable in an environment they perceive as feminine.

Does this mean that they should “grow up” or “get over it”?

I do not think so. Perhaps it is time for women to be more accepting of men. I think we see many situations where men are expected, no required to accept feminine idiosyncrasies. To the extent that this does not go against the faith, that is fine.

Unfortunately, I see virtually no quid pro quo. Women are taught by our secular/feminist society to never be accepting of masculinity. Instead masculine men, who love sports, are a little physical at times, and who do not like lots of flowers or the color pink, are derided as cavemen, pigs or just insensitive.

Who, in fact, is being insensitive to whom here?

Men complain about the “sissyfication” of the Church. Women respond saying “alter girls don’t discourage boys”. Yet they forget about the “koodies” children feel. Or the lines old childrens poem, “girls are spice and everything nice, boys are snails and puppy-dog tails.” (quite badly quoted, but you get the idea.

A woman lector says, “I’m only there for five minutes.” Yes, but you are be more memorable because you are not the priest.

A female EMHC says, “It is not like I favor women’s ordination.” Yet it is a woman who performing what had been the exclusive duty of priests since the founding of the Church.

Men are vanishing from the church. Women are not leaving in anywhere near as great of numbers. This is unmistakably a gender-related issue.

Given this very real and serious situation, the obvious question is “What are women doing to cause this?”

A follow-up question could be, “If every soul is of inestimable value, and since men are being driven away from the Church in droves, what must we do, what sacrifices must we embrace, to save the eternal soul of these men?”

Do not let the twisted values of secularism or the false equality of feminism, which confuses equality with being the same, influence your thinking.
 
so they should just sit down and pray, preferably in the corner where they won’t be seen. Seems kind of cruel to so cavalierly dismiss them.
Yes! I know this might seem a bit odd to you but this is yet ANOTHER job that has been long neglected!!!

The world counts on those prayers - counts on the prayers of the good nuns and religious, on people who have dedicated their lives to prayer - the prayers of the old and the women- they are infact MORE important and MORE needed than anything …

and yet once again WHO is doing it???

THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB in the church and the people who have the time to dedicate to this are busy doing the jobs that belong to others.

And what is even more wrong is how you just made it sound like it is NOTHING.
 
I am beginning to wonder if I am in a Catholic forum or a male chauvenist pig forum
 
Men are vanishing from the church. Women are not leaving in anywhere near as great of numbers. This is unmistakably a gender-related issue.
This is more than a gender-related issue … but it is pretty safe to say - that real men want real religion.

It has just donned on me here reading this the scope of things.

I am a woman and a Traditionalist and when I look around my parish - I see many families but what is even more outstanding is the many men whose wives go to the Novus Ordo Church. Well they refuse!
 
I am beginning to wonder if I am in a Catholic forum or a male chauvenist pig forum
I think you’re confusing the reality that men like to do more masculine activities as being “male chauvenist pigs”. Men are not allowed to be men. Women can have entire T.V. networks dedicated to them, social clubs, t.v. shows. But men? No if a man wants to say that the Church is feminized he must be a pig" :rolleyes: . This thinking is precisely why I am one of ten 18-30 year old men as a Mass of over 400.
 
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Men complain about the “sissyfication” of the Church. Women respond saying “alter girls don’t discourage boys”. Yet they forget about the “koodies” children feel. Or the lines old childrens poem, “girls are spice and everything nice, boys are snails and puppy-dog tails.” (quite badly quoted, but you get the idea.

Arrrgggg…:mad:
 
I agree that men should be able to play sports with other men and not have women forced to play with them. I agree that men should be able to have men’s clubs, male colleges, and whatever. But I don’t believe men should own the rights on Mass. Religion isn’t a male thing, religion isn’t a female thing. Religion is for everyone. If people aren’t going to Mass because women are participating in the Mass then that’s the men’s problems and yes, they do need to get over it.

There is no doubt their is feminist groups that are trying to push their agenda on the Church and this is wrong. I am against female altar girls, I would rather have men lectoring. However, as I said, we wouldn’t have hardly any altar servers or lectors if only men were allowed to serve. This being said, allowing women to serve hasn’t really done anything to help the shortages in these positions.
 
I am beginning to wonder if I am in a Catholic forum or a male chauvenist pig forum
You can call it what ever you like … but to deny there is a problem is only being simple!

And how is men being allowed to be men qualify them as chauvenist pigs …

Like it or not there is a natural order to things … and that is God’s order - people have important roles to play and when you start messing with the natural order … you end up with chaos - I am pretty sure that the Catholic Church is a living example of that.

Has turned into nothing but homosexual priests and women!
 
However, as I said, we wouldn’t have hardly any altar servers or lectors if only men were allowed to serve. This being said, allowing women to serve hasn’t really done anything to help the shortages in these positions.
Really! I think this is bunk - in my church we have NO trouble finding men or boys to be Altar boys - there is hardly a man in the church who doesn’t know how to do the job. And why because women are not allowed on the Altar - so men HAVE to do it - and speaking as a women I DON’T want to be there.
 
I agree very much with what someone said about all of us having God written on our hearts and being called by him so it is not a manner of being manly or not to me. There is nothing more manly than Jesus if you think about it. Nothing more manly then the Apostles, Saints and Martyrs doing heroic things and dying for the conviction of the faith. Perhaps it is the problem with how a “man” is defined nowadays is rooted in material world success and leisurely pleasures and not true heroic virtue. Any man that knows the TRUTH that is Jesus Christ would not want to miss mass for ANY reason because we know he is truly present there and what is more important than that. The answer is obvious NOTHING.

Peace Be With You All
Mark
 
I agree very much with what someone said about all of us having God written on our hearts and being called by him so it is not a manner of being manly or not to me. There is nothing more manly than Jesus if you think about it. Nothing more manly then the Apostles, Saints and Martyrs doing heroic things and dying for the conviction of the faith. Perhaps it is the problem with how a “man” is defined nowadays is rooted in material world success and leisurely pleasures and not true heroic virtue. Any man that knows the TRUTH that is Jesus Christ would not want to miss mass for ANY reason because we know he is truly present there and what is more important than that. The answer is obvious NOTHING.

Peace Be With You All
Mark
What you say is true, but it does not address the common weakness men feel when they feel they are in a feminine environment.
 
What you say is true, but it does not address the common weakness men feel when they feel they are in a feminine environment.
Because it is not politically correct to state the obvious.
 
Well get used to it because in our diocese newsletter they had an article about the clustering of churches and how lay people will be doing more ministries in the Church and basically the priest will only be saying Masses.
 
This is what I am talking about actually. Weakness as it is referenced below is really strength. It is not caring about what other men say about you but what God thinks of us. I suspect you are right in your analysis though that many men don’t sing in Church because it is not manly. Well even though I am not the most gifted singer in the world I sing every song whether I like it or not because I offer it up as praise to my Lord just as a very manly man name David once did in the days of Kings. Teach your sons this kind of love for the Lord and they won’t care what others think of them or at least won’t let that stop them. If we can raise but one Francis of Assisi or Padre Pio or similiar holy figure in The United States it could revive and bring a new call to holiness to American Catholicism and give a great example of what a man is.

[SIGN]What you say is true, but it does not address the common weakness men feel when they feel they are in a feminine environment.[/SIGN]
 
This is what I am talking about actually. Weakness as it is referenced below is really strength. It is not caring about what other men say about you but what God thinks of us.
[SIGN]What you say is true, but it does not address the common weakness men feel when they feel they are in a feminine environment.[/SIGN]

Perhaps weakness is not the correct word. I would change the word “weakness” to “violation”…And it’s not just being “in” a feminine environment. There are so few other options so they are “forced” to participate in acting feminine. Men shouldn’t be forced to act in womanesque mannerisms. It’s no wonder they avoid it. Men and women can act together appropriately. Men love women but shouldn’t have to act like women.

The more important question is probably not whether this phenomenon exists…but rather, how did it get this way?

Joe B
 
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