Where Did Ireland Go?

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This is such a sad state of affairs. All the anguish of women who know what a gift from God it is to be a mother, and the will to defend an innocent babe, to know that those evil doers manipulate women into surrendering their baby to be butchered and sold. Planned Parenthood reaches with its tentacles to persuade promiscuous women to remain that way, and then profit from their used bodies. Satan is too much for mortals to fight off by themselves, we must pray. Ireland should never have been dragged into this evil but it has.
A small country that loved, loving God. I am very sad and pray for all.
 
Men are typically the ones working to persuade women to become promiscuous. As far as I’m aware, PP does not have clinics in Ireland.
 
Planned Parenthood has many outlets in other countries that they fund in order to increase abortions.

As for blaming men for women being promiscuous - that doesn’t fit. Sexual promiscuity is an equally mortal sin. There are many other examples of evil that make for discussions other than Ireland’s latest law.
 
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As for blaming men for women being promiscuous - that doesn’t fit. Sexual promiscuity is an equally mortal sin. There are many other examples of evil that make for discussions other than Ireland’s latest law.
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You contradict yourself. If it is an equally mortal sin for men and women to act promiscuously, then both do share the blame equally.

Read my post again. I said men, rather than PP, work to persuade women to have sex. Organizations like PP merely enable the behavior. I made no mention, of who is responsible for the sin. That is shared by both.
 
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Excuse me to me for contradicting myself! Okay then sexual promiscuity is a mortal sin for both men and women. Planned Parenthood encourages promiscuity for women and profits from the abortions and sale of the babies body parts. They sponsor their cause in other countries as well.

I am not going to engage in useless arguments - just those that result in convincing people to destroy Planned Parenthood forever and end abortions.
 
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I am not going to engage in useless arguments - just those that result in convincing people to destroy Planned Parenthood forever and end abortions.
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That’s good, as I don’t entertain such arguments either.

PP, much as I dislike that organization, is not the reason for this vote. The article talks about them: the economic gains, the rise from poverty, etc., are what helped propel this movement. It was, the ideal that to be modern state and to take its place among the developed western world, they needed to secure the same “rights” as everyone else. And to assume the same attiudes with regard to women’s rights, gay rights, and so forth.

PP did not create the Celtic Tiger, and it did not boost the living standards of many Irish. It also did not cause the CC sex scandals that destroyed much of the Church’s authority.

These are the issues and causes the article discusses, and I’m curious if you even read it before defaulting to blaming the same old boogeyman, PP.

Here’s a sad fact: countless abortions occurred before the creation of PP. And they will continue even if PP was shut down completely tomorrow.
 
The take away for me in all this is just how seemingly rapidly a nation’s mood can change within one generation. To have the Catholic faith erode seemingly overnight from Ireland strongly implies, however, that it has been on the wane–weakened, ineffective, “cultural” only–for a long time.
 
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The take away for me in all this is just how seemingly rapidly a nation’s mood can change within one generation. To have the Catholic faith erode seemingly overnight from Ireland strongly implies, however, that it has been on the wane–weakened, ineffective, “cultural” only–for a long time.
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Even into the early 1980s the Catholic Church wielded significant political power. What’s happened, in part, is the Europeanization of the younger generations, but more importantly, that the Church in Ireland brought itself into deep disrepute, undercutting it’s own claims to any kind of moral high ground.
 
At this rate, there’ll soon be more practicing Catholics in England than Ireland.

Are pigs sprouting wings somewhere??
 
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Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. Perhaps they are just reverting to their pagan roots; I think they would actually be ok with that. I am not singling them out, as opposed to the Americans or British or French, etc. etc. I mean I am a little disappointed but I was not expecting much heroic from the Irish here.
 
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