Where did Jesus, Mary Magdalene and Joseph of Arimathea go?

[paarsurrey]

Jesus ascended into heaven.

Hi

Jesus went to India, there are many nations with legends and historical and religous scriptures recording to that effect.

He never ascended to heavens from Galilee , there are no proper witnesses, in my opinion, for Jesus ascending to heavens from Galilee.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

 

[kellie]

Paarsurrey, as a Muslim you really should only concern yourself with the life of Mohammad. Christians don’t tell Muslims what they should or should not believe about Mohammad. Leave it to the Christians to sort out for themselves about the life of Jesus Christ. Jesus was crucified in 33 AD in Israel. Mohammad was born in 570 AD in Mecca and had his first revelation forty years later 610 AD.

If you believe in Jesus and Mary, then respect the Christian view derived from eye witness accounts of His life in Israel without forcing Muslim views on Christians, views which stem from Mecca many centuries later. Surely you realize that Christianity was nearly six centuries old and a well established religion, had spread to far away lands, had seats of learning in monasteries, many dioceses with bishops etc in many countries and had even been accepted by a European Emperor Constantine three centuries earlier, before Mohammad was even born?

So why aren’t you Muslim if you respect Jesus and Mary as mentioned in the Qu’ran? And if you really are concerned about the truth, than why do you not listen to us when we tell you the truth? Stop trolling CAF and go away.

well said

paarsurrey keeps saying he is searching for the truth, but has never acknowledged one thing we have ever said to him, or said “hmm that could be a possibility”
He has never shown one ounce of willingness to see things from our point of view, so how can he ever find the Truth?

paarsurrey, if you want to believe the Koran, go for it, but why keep telling us that you think the Bible is flawed?

We aren’t going to change our minds, the same way you aren’t going to change yours, so why continue like this??

 

[jblake]

paarsurrey;:

Jesus went to India, there are many nations with legends and historical and religious scriptures recording to that effect.

The problem with legends is that they need not, and usually are not historically accurate.

Kersten’s book on “Jesus in India” is interesting. All of his data is better explained by the hypothesis that Christianity was spread by the disciples of Jesus, and their converts, than that it was Jesus. (The biggest problem with the “Jesus died in India” myth, is that there are so many alleged tombs of Jesus in India. The second major problem is that it omits the major impact that Christianity had on oriental religions.)

He never ascended to heavens from Galilee , there are no proper witnesses, in my opinion,

There are far more witnesses, with far more credibility for Jesus ascending into heaven, than there are for any aspect of the legend that was constructed about a demonstrably fictitious character who was named Mohammed.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

You realize that the Q’ran was created for political reasons, specifically to enslave the nomadic tribes, and have them go to war against non-nomadic tribes, rather than nomadic tribes, don’t you;

jonathon

 

[WarriorAngel]

Hi

I don’t think there is any “eye witness accounts of His (Jesus) life” in the NTBible. For example on the event of Crucifixion all the disciples had fled, I think it is also mentioned in the NTBible.

The only eye-witness was the All-Seeing and All-observing God Allah YHWH; who says that they could not kill Jesus on the Cross. Lone Witnessing of God Allah is sufficient; needs no further witnessing, in my opinion.

This is what I believe from Quran; others could believe differently as per their faith with sound reasons, no compulsion.

I love Jesus

Thanks

According to scriptures, John stayed, His Mother stayed, His friend Mary Magdelene stayed…and other women who stood off from the foot of the cross.
Joseph had him removed from the cross [another friend who had money]
and had Him buried in the finest linen…in a tomb that His mother would not have otherwise been able to afford.

Also - because thousands witnessed His crucifixion and SAW that the tomb He was placed into was empty - they converted in the number of 3000 the first day when the Apostles received the Holy Spirit to have courage to go out and preach He rose from the dead.
AND being able to speak in Gallillean and have everyone understand them in their own tongue at the very same instance.

Otherwise no one would have listened if it were not for all the proof they had.

Muhammad on the other hand took years before anyone would listen to him.

His only converts were those who were not Jews but were Middle Eastern because they had a need for a Savior because they rejected their brethren the Jews.
Didnt seem to want to have anything to do with the prophecy of the Messiah [of the Jewish scriptures] and remember both came from Abraham.

Sibling rivalry?
Perhaps.

My prophet is better than yours…

Paarsurrey, you should begin by quoting when Mohammad who was born in 570 AD was at the foot of Jesus’ cross in 33 AD.

Hi

I never say to Hindus to throw away their scriptures, or to Jews to throw away their Torah, or to Buddhists to throw away their Scriptures; so how I can say to the Christians to throw away their scriptures.

I only say to all that accept only the TRUTH in them. How could one close one’s eyes to the Truth?

This is what i believe sincerely; others could believe differently out of their free will but with good reason and rational arguments.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Pardon me if you would please, but i want to interject that this leads me to believe that you think God is apathetic and disinterested in His own truth. Is that the case?

Also - as i posted previously, there is a Shroud of Turin. Its a cloth with the exact marks of Jesus…all the way to the spear entered into His side. And the crown of thorns.
Skeptics suggest it is a forgery.

But there is no known way to make the marks on the cloth without it being some sort of genuine ‘negative’ effect from a camera which didnt exist even in the gothic times.

So basically it is made with human blood and a the same imprint from a camera of extreme light.
WHICH as i said - didnt exist even 500 years ago.

SO the skeptics can make their claims - but their claims are not proove it is NOT a miracle.

Jesus died - and rose again. Because He is Divine His Light was so extreme that the cloth He was buried in left a mark of His outline.

And in 2003 or was it 2005 they redid the test on the cloth and the carbon dating was in the 1st century. Of course that finding was not posted anywhere - so somehow as usual the truth was left in the dark.

Do you have any guesses as to how we have a negative from His shroud [kept by the Church all these centuries] if it is not the genuine article of the Resurrected burial cloth?

 

[WarriorAngel]

BTW - why am I being ignored??

Are my questions too difficult?

Am I too logical?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Jesus was correct in teaching that man has a hard heart.

The Jews maintained laws that suited them which Moses set up because they would have otherwise totally rebelled.

Jesus has to be Who He claimed He was [and HE did claim Himself God to His Apostles] because His teachings are far more difficult to follow than the ‘revenge’ a sinful man seeks to gain glory and power and as well as getting what they covet.

Jesus said to give up everything to have Him. And want only Him. Because this life doesnt matter.

How hard it is to follow Him, and if it weren’t - then the entire world wouldnt have a problem with it…now would they?

Every single religion outside of Christianity is about gainsay.

Can anyone deny that ?

Prooving Muhammad was just a man with ideas from man. Get things ‘my way’ and have whatever i want.

Jesus taught to turn the other cheek. HOW hard that must be when humans want revenge. How hard it is - and how few will believe it.
The broad path is easier to follow but in the end it leads to our own destruction…in the after life.

 

[paarsurrey]

Do you have any guesses as to how we have a negative from His shroud [kept by the Church all these centuries]

Hi

Following link may help to understand as to how negative of Jesus was made on the Shroud of Turin:

shroudforum.com/

Please read the heading “Chiaroscuro Pictures of Jesus”.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

 

[swariffin]

BTW - why am I being ignored??

Are my questions too difficult?

Am I too logical?

You have the same problem like me. Paar will evade the questions when he cannot answer them.

 

[Eucharisted]

Paar,

You can repeat your beliefs and give your evidence a million, a billion, a trillion, even a googleplex times and we will still not believe what you believe. We will not be brainwashed nor simply give in. You will never convince us to believe what you believe, nor will we ever acknowledge it as truth. Nor can you correct us in our beliefs, for we stand firm in what the Catholic Church believes. Nor can you shake our believe in the Catholic Church. Your efforts are futile, but you continue on - perhaps out of pride or out of jest? Or maybe - jus maybe - you’re only here to irritate and troll us?

 

[WarriorAngel]

You have the same problem like me. Paar will evade the questions when he cannot answer them.

Ok, thanks. I was beginning to think i was invisible.

Paar - as i believe i mentioned another test was done prooving the Shroud came from the 1st Century.

In fact a book was written with all the evidences. I also saw where a Jewish scientist discovered pollen from a plant that has been extinct since the time of Jesus - or the 1st Century.

Anyway -

MagdalenCATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Mary
Info on Mary in the link above.

The Greek Church maintains that the saint retired to Ephesus with the Blessed Virgin and there died, that her relics were transferred to Constantinople in 886 and are there preserved. Gregory of Tours (De miraculis, I, xxx) supports the statement that she went to Ephesus. However, according to a French tradition (see SAINT LAZARUS OF BETHANY), Mary, Lazarus, and some companions came to Marseilles and converted the whole of Provence. Magdalen is said to have retired to a hill, La Sainte-Baume, near by, where she gave herself up to a life of penance for thirty years. When the time of her death arrived she was carried by angels to Aix and into the oratory of St. Maximinus, where she received the viaticum; her body was then laid in an oratory constructed by St. Maximinus at Villa Lata, afterwards called St. Maximin. History is silent about these relics till 745, when according to the chronicler Sigebert, they were removed to Vézelay through fear of the Saracens. No record is preserved of their return, but in 1279, when Charles II, King of Naples, erected a convent at La Sainte-Baume for the Dominicans, the shrine was found intact, with an inscription stating why they were hidden. …[etc]

 

[WarriorAngel]

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Joseph of Arimathea <~ click

The Crucifixion of the Master quickened Joseph’s faith and love, and suggested to him that he should provide for Christ’s burial before the Sabbath began. Unmindful therefore of all personal danger, a danger which was indeed considerable under the circumstances, he boldly requested from Pilate the Body of Jesus, and was successful in his request (Mark 15:43-45). Once in possession of this sacred treasure, he – together with Nicodemus, whom his courage had likewise emboldened, and who brought abundant spices – wrapped up Christ’s Body in fine linen and grave bands, laid it in his own tomb, new and yet unused, and hewn out of a rock in a neighbouring garden, and withdrew after rolling a great stone to the opening of the sepulchre (Matthew 27:59, 60; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53; John 19:38-42). Thus was fulfilled Isaiah’s prediction that the grave of the Messias would be with a rich man (Isaiah 53:9).

 

[OriginalJS]

Can someone direct me to a map that shows Arimathea at the time of Christ? Was there such a place at all? I haven’t found it yet. Thanks.

 

[jakasaki]

Can someone direct me to a map that shows Arimathea at the time of Christ? Was there such a place at all? I haven’t found it yet. Thanks.

ARIMATHAEA
ar-i-ma-the’-a (Arimathaia): “A city of the Jews,” the home of Joseph in whose sepulchre the body of Jesus was laid. Its identity is the subject of much conjecture.

The Onomasticon of Eusebius and Jerome identifies it with Ramathaim-Zophim in the hill-country of Ephraim (1 Samuel 11), which is Ramah the birthplace and burial-place of Samuel (1 Samuel 1:19; 1 Samuel 25:1), and places it near Timnah on the borders of Judah and Dan. G. A. Smith thinks it may be the modern Beit Rima, a village on an eminence 2 miles North of Timnah.

Others incline to Ramallah, 8 miles North of Jerusalem and 3 miles from Bethel (Matthew 27:57 Mark 15:43 Luke 23:51 John 19:38).

bibleatlas.org/arimathea.htm

There is a map on the above link -

maps.google.com/?q=31.83273947,35.18016286%20(Arimathea)&t=k&z=8

Also check out the google map and enlarge it…

Hopefully it will help…

 

[cthulhubryan]

Hi

I don’t think there is any “eye witness accounts of His (Jesus) life” in the NTBible. For example on the event of Crucifixion all the disciples had fled, I think it is also mentioned in the NTBible.

The only eye-witness was the All-Seeing and All-observing God Allah YHWH; who says that they could not kill Jesus on the Cross. Lone Witnessing of God Allah is sufficient; needs no further witnessing, in my opinion.

This is what I believe from Quran; others could believe differently as per their faith with sound reasons, no compulsion.

I love Jesus

Thanks

Jesus ascended into heaven. He did not survive the cross.

Mary Magdalen went West into Marseilles France along with Lazarus and others. She later retired to La Sainte-Baume where she completed 30 years of penance before her death.
Please note that Greek tradition holds that she sailed to Ephesus with the Blessed Virgin

Not much is known of Joseph of Arimathea. The story of his going to Gaul and Britain is considered fabulous and unreliable.

None of these went to India

 

[WarriorAngel]

There are very old ancient maps that show alot of cities we would not either recognise or even realise existed. Only a handful of scholars know about them.
[in the Catholic Church] via the maps…[with exception of a few others.]
**
Some cities were buried under the earthquake when Christ died…
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Archeology also prooved the cities existed on those ancient maps.
**
God Bless.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Paar could you at least answer this question in regards to your thoughts on all religions having truth…

Pardon me if you would please, but i want to interject that this leads me to believe that you think God is apathetic and disinterested in His own truth. Is that the case?

 

[paarsurrey]

Paar - as i believe i mentioned another test was done prooving the Shroud came from the 1st Century.

In fact a book was written with all the evidences. I also saw where a Jewish scientist discovered pollen from a plant that has been extinct since the time of Jesus - or the 1st Century.

Hi

I am also of the opinion, that it was the shroud of Jesus; but if I would insist on that , the Catholics would, perhaps, say it was fake.

You seem to be a good person. May GodAllahYHWH bless you.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Brits would have you believe that he went to Glastonbury (Somerset, not Cornwall) so that’s why they have a huge Popular Music Festival every year (and get rained-on).

The second part is a joke but only partly - Glastonbury is supposed to be very ‘spiritual’, so that’s why the Festival started, they also often get rained-on.

The Glastobury Festival is because of some late 18th-century fantasies about the Druids. The Glastonbury Thorn, its alleged planting by Joseph of Arimathaea, & King Arthur, belong to a different cycle of fictions ​

For **real **history, the Scots are called after Scota, daughter of Pharaoh, & are therefore older than the English, who are descended from Brutus, great-grandson of Aeneas. Unless we include Sceaf, the fourth son of Noah, who was born in the Ark.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Glastobury Festival is because of some late 18th-century fantasies about the Druids. The Glastonbury Thorn, its alleged planting by Joseph of Arimathaea, & King Arthur, belong to a different cycle of fictions ​

For **real **history, the Scots are called after Scota, daughter of Pharaoh, & are therefore older than the English, who are descended from Brutus, great-grandson of Aeneas. Unless we include Sceaf, the fourth son of Noah, who was born in the Ark.

Hi

My question is that why NTBible , after the four gospels, ignores and does not mention of Mary the mother, Mary Magdalene and Joseph of Arimathea . Perhaps because they were among those who were present at the time of Jesus Crucifixion and knew inside out of the event; Paul might have feared that they would expose him, in my opinion.

Jesus could assert himself for his claims and reasons; he needed no Paul/s, in my opinion; I love Jesus for his wisdom. Jesus feared nobody except GodAllahYHWH whose humble servant Jesus was, in my opinion.

Thanks

 

[jblake]

paarsurrey;:

My question is that why NTBible , after the four gospels, ignores and does not mention of Mary the mother, Mary Magdalene and Joseph of Arimathea .

Joseph or Arimathea was, at best, a minor character.

Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and Mary of Magdala were important only for their relationship with Jesus. As such, after His death, there is very little reason to tell their story. The surviving pseudopigraphic material that is extant, does provide a brief mention of their life after His death.

The absence of data about the twelve disciples is far more significant.

jonathon