Where did Jesus, Mary Magdalene and Joseph of Arimathea go?

[Ben_Masada]

No way, Peter accepted Paul. What is sect of the Nazarenes, anyway? Is that a Jewish claim for the follower of Christ?

The Sect of the Nazarenes was a Jewish sect organized by the Apostles on Jesus’ behalf. That’s not the Jewish claim for the followers of Christ, but for the followers of Jesus. The followers of Christ started with Paul almost 30 years after Jesus had been gone. (Acts 11:26)

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

God alone knows for sure, not the apostles.

And where did you overhear that Paul’s application was rejected? I hope you would not become like paarsurrey…trying to stand-up here without using legs.

After Paul’s change of mind on the Road to Damascus, he procceeded to Damascus and stayed there for three years. Then, he decided to come up to Jerusalem and to try to join the the Sect of the Nazarenes. But James, the Chairman of the Sect with the Elders didn’t believe Paul had changed his mind and could not approve him to join. However, Barnabas a senior member of the Sect was an old friend of Paul’s and interceded for him, so that he was accepted on a trial basis.

Within 15 days only preaching in Jerusalem that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God and that he had resurrected, Paul caused such a havoc in Jerusalem that the local Jews were on an uproar to kill him for preaching apostasy. For that reason, the Apostles had to ship him back to Tarsus, where he belonged. That’s how his application was not approved. Understand now?

Ben:

 

[agangbern]

After Paul’s change of mind on the Road to Damascus, he procceeded to Damascus and stayed there for three years. Then, he decided to come up to Jerusalem and to try to join the the Sect of the Nazarenes. But James, the Chairman of the Sect with the Elders didn’t believe Paul had changed his mind and could not approve him to join. However, Barnabas a senior member of the Sect was an old friend of Paul’s and interceded for him, so that he was accepted on a trial basis.

Within 15 days only preaching in Jerusalem that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God and that he had resurrected, Paul caused such a havoc in Jerusalem that the local Jews were on an uproar to kill him for preaching apostasy. For that reason, the Apostles had to ship him back to Tarsus, where he belonged. That’s how his application was not approved. Understand now?

Ben:

You have just invented your own new testament bible. Now compare your invention with these truths:

Galatians 1:15-18, *“But when it pleased him who from my mother’s womb set me apart and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the Gentiles, immediately, without taking counsel with flesh and blood, and without going up to Jerusalem to those who were appointed apostles before me, I retired into Arabia, and again returned to Damascus.”

   Then after three years I went to Jerusalem to see Peter, and I remained with him 15 days."*

Where did Paul go immediately after his conversion? Ben Masada’s invented bible says, Paul “proceeded to Damascus.” But what does the truth says? The bible says, Paul "retired into Arabia".

What was the purpose of Paul in going up to Jerusalem? Ben Masada’s invention says,"* to try to join the the Sect of the Nazarenes."* But what does the truth says? The bible says, “*to see Peter”.

• No mention whatsovever of “trying to join a sect”. Clearly, we have a new inventor in this forum, no other than Ben Masada.

 

[agangbern]

Yes, it is not resurrection. And no Christian thinks it that way! But to rise again on the third day from death…that is what Christians call resurrection.

Now, all you have to do is to use your own NT to prove it.
Ben:

You are right. We can use our own NT to prove that. Good that you believe in the NT too. But not only is the NT supportive of that truth, but even the Church Fathers believe in that truth, that Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[swariffin]

Paarsurrey, nobody knows for sure. So far, I have read about three speculations, which I included in my thread
“The Wedding of Jesus.” I personally checked one, and the other
two have only slight possibilities.

Only the Apostles knew for sure. And that was the reason why they rejected Paul’s application to join the Sect of the Nazarenes. They thought that he was either lying or crazy. They could not believe him when he said that he had met Jesus on the Road to Damascus. They knew that Jesus had not gone to Damascus.

Ben:

Jesus has established the church not the sect of Nazarenes. You are creating your own history.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Who is this Zaccheaus, please? I don’t think Jesus ever mentioned about him. Did he?

Jesus could assert himself for his claims and reasons; he needed no Paul/s, in my opinion; I love Jesus for his wisdom. Jesus feared nobody except GodAllahYHWH whose humble servant Jesus was, in my opinion.

Thanks

That is the proof that you have not read the bible. See Luke 19

 

[swariffin]

Hi

What a minor character Joseph Arimathea was? When everyone of the twelve fled a way, he remained present on the occasion. The steadfast becomes minor and those who melted like ice at the time of trial become major. This also seems to be a work of Paul, in my opinion.

Jesus could assert himself for his claims and reasons; he needed no Paul/s, in my opinion; I love Jesus for his wisdom. Jesus feared nobody except GodAllahYHWH whose humble servant Jesus was, in my opinion.

Thanks

Nope, John, Mary and Mary Magdalene was there. Not all 12 fled off as you always state while the record said not.

 

[swariffin]

To be alive after crucifixion is no proof of resurrection.

With the open unstiched wound so large that a hand can be put in? I wonder whether Thomas really put his hand inside and touch the internal organ of Jesus. A man live with that kind of wound? It would be illogical to believe even if such man live in the 21st century.

 

[swariffin]

The Sect of the Nazarenes was a Jewish sect organized by the Apostles on Jesus’ behalf. That’s not the Jewish claim for the followers of Christ, but for the followers of Jesus. The followers of Christ started with Paul almost 30 years after Jesus had been gone. (Acts 11:26)

Ben:

And your source is?

 

[Bill_Pick]

Hi

I don’t think there is any “eye witness accounts of His (Jesus) life” in the NTBible. For example on the event of Crucifixion all the disciples had fled, I think it is also mentioned in the NTBible.

The only eye-witness was the All-Seeing and All-observing God Allah YHWH; who says that they could not kill Jesus on the Cross. Lone Witnessing of God Allah is sufficient; needs no further witnessing, in my opinion.

This is what I believe from Quran; others could believe differently as per their faith with sound reasons, no compulsion.

I love Jesus

Thanks

I have not seen any one on this froum that has more opinions then this person,can we please just get some facts,we all have opinions. Please just facts

 

[system]

If you knew anything at all about Muslims, you would know that we love ALL the prophets of God - from Adam all the way to Mohammed.

And, I didn’t know that Christians were the only ones allowed to “concern” themselves with Jesus!

 

[system]

Paarsurrey, as a Muslim you really should only concern yourself with the life of Mohammad. Christians don’t tell Muslims what they should or should not believe about Mohammad. Leave it to the Christians to sort out for themselves about the life of Jesus Christ. Jesus was crucified in 33 AD in Israel. Mohammad was born in 570 AD in Mecca and had his first revelation forty years later 610 AD.

If you believe in Jesus and Mary, then respect the Christian view derived from eye witness accounts of His life in Israel without forcing Muslim views on Christians, views which stem from Mecca many centuries later. Surely you realize that Christianity was nearly six centuries old and a well established religion, had spread to far away lands, had seats of learning in monasteries, many dioceses with bishops etc in many countries and had even been accepted by a European Emperor Constantine three centuries earlier, before Mohammad was even born?

Again, I ask… why should only CHRISTIANS concern themselves with the life of Jesus… when Jesus was apparently “jewish”? We don’t “concern” ourselves with the life of the prophets - we desire to learn from them and emulate them as much as humanly possible. Muslims, unlike Christians, do not force religion on anyone and do not prosthelytize. If this is a forum for discussion, then how come a Muslim cannot come on and discuss, ask questions or state learnings?

Just like we believe of ALL the prophets, Jesus was an AMAZING man and VERY important to us all. We love Jesus, as we love Adam, as we love Noah… Abraham (Ibrahim), Mohammed, etc. They are good examples of the way that we should live… with love for our neighbors and fellow man.