Where did the words of consecration come from

[Joab_Anias]

Hi,

I am looking for a good answer to this question in the title. Couldn’t seem to find one in a search. If anyone can direct me to this I would be appreciative.

Thanks.

 

[benedictgal]

Hi,

I am looking for a good answer to this question in the title. Couldn’t seem to find one in a search. If anyone can direct me to this I would be appreciative.

Thanks.

Actually, they are found in all three synoptic Gospels as well as the First Letter of St. Paul to the Corinthians.

Here is what St. Matthew records:

26 And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. 27 And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

Here is the account from the Gospel of St. Mark:

22 And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body. 23 And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it. 24 And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many.

Now, let’s see how St. Luike relats it:

19 And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. 20 In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

This is how St. Paul instructs the faithful in Corinth:

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. 24 And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. 25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

26 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall show the death of the Lord, until he come.

I hope this helps you.

 

[Joab_Anias]

Actually, they are found in all three synoptic Gospels as well as the First Letter of St. Paul to the Corinthians.

Here is what St. Matthew records:

Here is the account from the Gospel of St. Mark:

Now, let’s see how St. Luike relats it:

This is how St. Paul instructs the faithful in Corinth:

I hope this helps you.

Yea, thank you. I am aware of the Scripture.

I am looking more along the lines of a historical and traditional context.

Such as early liturgies and beliefs with some archaeological substantiation.

Not for myself, but to help those of a sola scripturist mindset.

I am aware of one early liturgy but see a gap between the tradition, when scripture was written and other recorded records and then of course transubstantiation wasn’t defined officially until the council of the 12th century for example.

I am trying to assemble a time line of the Mass up to such times as where it first became called the Mass in Rome which I have read a few times and should be able to find again but also why the words are deemed to be so crucial in an irenic and succinct way and then on to the divergence between East and West up into the present day. Maybe I need a good book that already has this all layed out but don’t know of any.

Maybe I am bitting off more than I can chew.

I know I am definitely over my head.

Thanks again.

Peace and God bless,
Joab.

 

[benedictgal]

Yea, thank you. I am aware of the Scripture.

I am looking more along the lines of a historical and traditional context.

Such as early liturgies and beliefs with some archaeological substantiation.

Not for myself, but to help those of a sola scripturist mindset.

I am aware of one early liturgy but see a gap between the tradition, when scripture was written and other recorded records and then of course transubstantiation wasn’t defined officially until the council of the 12th century for example.

I am trying to assemble a time line of the Mass up to such times as where it first became called the Mass in Rome which I have read a few times and should be able to find again but also why the words are deemed to be so crucial in an irenic and succinct way and then on to the divergence between East and West up into the present day. Maybe I need a good book that already has this all layed out but don’t know of any.

Maybe I am bitting off more than I can chew.

I know I am definitely over my head.

Thanks again.

Peace and God bless,
Joab.

Actually, St. Paul’s First Letter to the Corinthians is the earlierst example of the words of consecrtion that we have (that weren’t uttered by Jesus, Himself). By this I mean that Our Lord didn’t go to Corinth to say this. It is a recorded account of what is supposed to happen.

That is your earliest record of the liturgy. Furthermore, the Didache is also a good reference as are the early writings of the Church Fathers.

The Mass of the Early Church by MIke Aquila is a good resource for tracing the history.