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I’m a 59 year old man in a deep depression on where my life is at and where to go from here. My father was Catholic but originally my mother was not. She converted so they could get married in the church. I believe I went to Catechism classes at about age 6 but never had Confirmation. My mother had many miscarriages before I was born and shortly after I completed Catechism she had another, only this was different. My father had many friends who were Priests that would come to dinner. One of them had been in Rome and returned with a holy relic (which I don’t remember what it was) and blessed my mother’s belly with the relic to ensure health and successful birth. Unfortunately, my mother lost the baby in the late 8th or early 9th month. This was back in the early 1960’s when medical technology was nothing like it is today. My mother blamed God for what happened and we never went to church again after that which is why I was never confirmed.

Fast forward to my 17th year when my father passed away. I was totally lost as he was my entire world during my childhood. Not only did my father pass away but my mother and I had to move from the house we lived in which came with the job my father had. We lived in a rural suburban area but had to move to a city to get an apartment which forced my mother to euthanize our two dogs. I graduated High School that same year with all the changes that brings and found myself in the workforce. From the point of my father passing to being out in workforce took place within a 6 month time frame. To say I was in a state of shock back then would be an understatement.

All during my school years I was very shy and never had a girlfriend. I met someone later in the year after all the above happend who I consider to be the love of my life, even though we never had the opportunity to date due to a 3rd party (an ever longer story that I’m not going to go into here) but to this day I still feel the same way about her. Perhaps after all that happend that year is why my feelings for her became so ingrained into me. After we lost touch I had the misfortune to eventually meet and marry someone when I was 25 who turned out to be (and this is no joke) a Satanist. I was unaware of that fact until about 5 years into the marriage. I may not have been a very religious person at that point in my life but I believed in God and Satan and wanted no part in Satan so I got out of the marriage as soon as I could. A few years later I met someone else and remarried. In both cases I knew I was settling for a relationship because I did not think I would ever love someone like I the one I had lost out on.

The first marriage was performed by a Methodist minister in our home. Neither my first wife nor myself were baptized into the Methodist faith. She attended the church because she wanted to sing in the choir (after finding out about her being a Satanist I have no idea why) and I attended because she did. My current wife is not religious at all. She is of the “I’ll believe it when God shows it to me” mind set. We were married by a Justice of the Peace. We have been together for about 26 years but have been growing farther and farther apart. The relationship is now at a very toxic stage and neither of us is happy. I know that the only reason we’re still together now is she can’t work because of a physical disability and with the economy and my increasing inability to get work due to my age I can’t afford to pay for two residences, so it’s just easier to leave things as they are.

Within the last few months I rediscovered the person I consider the love of my life. I found out she has never been married and has had much pain in her life because she has been lonely and felt unloved by anyone. I can’t express how much that pains me to know considering how I’ve felt about her ever since I met her but was never able to tell her. Now I don’t know if we could ever be together even if she was interested (I have not approached her about this, in fact there has been only communication through email and nothing of an intemate/feelings nature, just as one old friend to another).

Over the years she has become extremely active in the Catholic Church which filled the void in her life where she now devotes almost all of her free time. I had been active in the Baptist faith for a number of years. My biggest problem is that between wife #1 and wife #2 (please no flames on this, I’m depressed enough already) I contracted HIV. I was diagnosed shortly after marrying wife #2 who is not infected and how that happened we have no idea.

I’ve done a lot of searches concerning the views of the Catholic Church and HIV. I find a lot of mixed opinions on the subject. It’s like getting 100 Pastors in a room to give a sermon on a bible verse and getting 100 different interpretations on what it means. I don’t know what to do. I know my marriage is over and nothing is going to change that. I’m trying to discover if there is any way that my health status could be overcome based on current Catholic Church doctrine assuming (and this would be a huge assumption) that this person would even consider it on a personal level being with someone with my condition. If she would consider it on a personal level I know her current devotion to the Church would have a huge impact on her decision to even associate with me.

I know we could never have unprotected relations. With the drug regimen I’m on my virus level is undetectable but that doesn’t mean not present. I know the church says that’s not possible because you can’t inhibit the ability to procreate, but we’re both well past child bearing age so there’s nothing to inhibit plus the FDA is now approving the drug regimen for spouses to prevent infection when using protection. My current wife and I have not been intimate for many years so that in itself does not bother me to go that route but in that situation it means I would not be able to consummate a marriage to a Catholic woman even if she could get past that idea.

My belief in God is such that coming back to the Catholic Church would not be an impediment to me, but I don’t know how or if I could fit into the Catholic Church or if I should even consider a possible relationship with the person I’ve wanted to be with most of my adult life.

I don’t have the words to convey the amount of despair I have in my life at this point. I need to make I changes because I go to bed wishing not to see my 60th birthday. Some might think that’s possible considering my condition but I’m currently as healthy as a horse so not any relief there either. I’ve been considering contacting the Priest who presided at my father’s funeral. I have not seen him in 41 years but he’s still alive doing God’s work. I have no idea if there is anything he can say to guide me, I can only pray at this point.
 
Yours is a sad story and I hope you will find peace.
Your would only be happy to be married to this old friend then?
Her (name removed by moderator)ut in any future together would be important but as you indicate, you haven’t spoken at any times of feelings between you.

You have asked the advice of many Churchmen, so don’t actually need our opinions which can only add to the clamor. Regarding the person who has been your dream… Her thoughts and feelings and an honest sharing of the fact that you do have a serious communicable illness are important considerations.

Your current wife needs you because of her disability, so what charity to her the Lord requires is best known to Him, however according to the Church as both marriages occurred outside the Church and you are a baptised Catholic, you can only live with her as brother and sister unless you were to have the marriage convalidated/obtain sanation.

It is a consolation that you have found your friendship, but a sad thing that your relationship was prevented so many years ago. You don’t know this lady’s thoughts and intentions regarding your relationship, and whether or not your revelations a of both love and illness will cause her mental anguish, but the blessing may be that you both have a kind friendship that prayerfully gives mutual support.

I can only pray for you all, the wife who isn’t loved, the woman who has been your dream, and you in your sadness. May God’s love that will be our judge (Matthew 25 verses 31-46) and who judges us by our actual charity of others, always be your guide and consolation.

So unable to give any other enlightenment, though having compassion for everyone involved, I can only pray for you all.
May God bless and guide you all.
 
I’m a 59 year old man in a deep depression on where my life is at and where to go from here. .
Wow. I’m so sorry for your losses of your father and then your beloved dogs, and your home as well. What a terrible time for you at such a young age.

Illness is not a sin. Note the period at the end of the sentence.

Go find an RCIA class, they should be starting in September. Tell your lost and found friend you are going through that.

I won’t tell you my story but it also wasn’t so fun. This Scripture was my hope:

"I will make up to you the years the locust has eaten."

It’s from Joel, I don’t remember where. I was in my 40s when I converted.

As for the woman, just be her friend for now. Let God handle this one.

Keep us informed. You can be pretty amazed at what God will do.
 
First of all, I am very, very sorry for what you have endured. I feel very bad that your mother fell away from the church after the loss of her child, and that this impacted your faith journey. I could barely stand to be in a church for years after the deaths of our babies – not because God didn’t “save” them, but because I had absolutely no sense of His presence, despite desperate prayers, and felt abandoned. I feel guilt to this day for the effect that had on the spiritual lives of my children.

The biggest thing I learned from this ordeal is that all “evidence” of God gone, including any sense of His very presence, and you choose not only to believe, but to live in obedience to Him, regardless of whether or not this obedience will seem to enhance your desired life, it is the very beginning of Faith.

I am sorry that your current marriage is not going well. You may or may not have grounds for an annulment, to both marriages, but you did make promises to this woman that you are with for the last 2.6 decades. If you had no intention of leaving your marriage with her before the woman you are so attached to came back in your life, leaving to marry her now would be leaving your wife to marry another, forbidden by the Gospel. Not to mention, you have a Christian responsibility to your current wife. You have said you cannot afford two households, due to disability. Even if your second wife was relieved to get out of a marriage, the church annulled your marriages, and the third wife was willing despite the HIV diagnosis, could you provide for both households? After 26 years of marriage, would your current wife be able to take care of herself? Leaving a woman after decades of marriage with a physical disability does not really sound like the right thing to do – that would be to work, work, work on your current marriage, through therapy, pastoral care, whatever means you have available, and try to improve it, so at very least it will not feel so toxic.

“Over the years she has become extremely active in the Catholic Church which filled the void in her life where she now devotes almost all of her free time.” Good advice for you. God will fill the void in your life you are trying to fill be thinking of leaving your current wife for this woman. YES, CONTACT THE PRIEST!!!

It sounds like you despair at staying with your current wife, and loosing another chance with your friend. May God give you the strength you need to find peace in obedience to Him.

Again, call the priest. Peace with God, along with service to others, and a live centered in faith will make what needs to be done much more doable. You don’t have to despair at the coming of your 60th. Trust in His plans for you, and seek Him.
 
You seem to be in a lot of pain and I am very sorry for that. It is awful to see or hear of another in despairing. This does not mean it is okay to leave your wife, especially for another woman. Adultery is wrong plain and simple. Others looking for justification for adultery, or simply to end marriages, have used stories like yours. I am not suggesting that you are not genuinely hurting, but no matter the circumstances under which you were married, you made a commitment to someone and should honor it.It is not just the Catholic religion that is against adultery- all religions recognizing the 10 Commandments do. Also, becoming a Catholic needs to be based on more than the fact that a friend or girlfriend is a Catholic. It involves the beliefs of an individual and his desire to live a life in line with Church teaching. Becoming Catholic is a serious undertaking that should not be taken lightly. You should not do it for anyone but yourself and God.
Please seek psychiatric counseling for your hurts. It is disturbing that you do not want to live until age 60. Perhaps with counsel and medication you would feel differently about your marriage. Your entire outlook could change! The process is slow, but worth it. It seems like you were not given the chance to work through your father’s death and a doctor could help you with that, even all these years later. The way you speak of your father is touching and a doctor could help you reconcile the love you had for him with the pain you felt losing him. It seems you are still carrying this pain around & at least part of your view on things has been negatively effected by it.
I truly hope you find peace. Your story is very sad to read about and I wish you the best.
 
Yours has been a difficult life. But in God, difficulty often brings Gods Grace, make sure you talk to Him and are open to that. I agree however that adultuery is wrong, and I think you should try to make amends as best you can with your current wife. Not to say that is will work but we are, all of us, Gods children. Through Him I think what we give we recieve many times over. If you forgive someone it frees you as well. I would suggest you do find a good priest to talk to about this. It is a complicated situation but most priests I know have great insght. I would also reccommend getting help for the depression. That could color much of how you think/feel. I am in the process of doing this myself and making changes and I can hoenstly tell you my whole life is brighter and I am slowly starting to love life again. I am also finding God again myself and Jesus “makes all things new.” At fisrt I thought, yes yes Ive heard that before, but Ive learned this myself and first hand and it has had a major impact on my outlook. Let Him make you new again. I know it can be difficult to take the first steps. There are often psychologists who see people on a sliding scale based on income, or other helpful options out there. And it sounds obvious but pray. Seeking Jesus’ help really does make a difference and Gods hand does work, but we have to do our part and persevere. Your in my prayers mate.
 
I’m so sorry…I am not good with giving advice but please remember I’m praying for you.
 
Have you and your current partner tried counseling, and worked at daily loving -kindness between you, in additions to consideration of rectifying the marital situation? Do you need, in God’s eyes, to patiently begin this process and gradually to buikld up trust?
You are still living in a past dream, which meant you never could really give your heart to either partner. That is in fact a betrayal, unfortunately.

Could it be that God’s intent is that you do work kindly and lovingly on your decades long-marriage and put it in order?

It is eternal salvation that will matter for the longest.
If the other woman your dream has been so unhappy, what makes you believe she is a healthy life alternative. to the abandonment of your present responsibilities? Unhappiness and loneliness is partly circumstances but there is a point at which it is a mindset and a choice, one which she and you may have to some degree chosen?.

In any case, my prayers
 
Lost Again,
I think you have had many problems and the pain is not well healed, and in addition you have some current problems, but actually more than one.

The events surrounding your father’s death must have been very traumatic for you, and it seems that you did not get a chance to grieve well. Like someone whose broken arm was not set properly, it sounds like you still have effects from that time in your life, as well as some of the other things that have happened to you since then.

In addition, from the Catholic point of view, you also have marriage problems. They may be able to be cleared up relatively easily since you were not ever married in the Catholic Church, but these issues are best discussed with a priest or other person assigned by the Church to talk to people about these things, because they know the right questions to ask. So sometime in your RCIA program, probably you will need to discuss this with someone.

However, it seems that you have another overall problem, which is this woman you met so long ago. It is really easy when you first meet someone to have a very rosy sort of experience. Many people marry during this time, and then they find that the reality of being with the person is not quite what they had envisioned.

You never had the opportunity to develop a relationship with her, so it seems you kind of kept an image of her and your potential relationship in your mind with you, and this may not accord well with reality. Do you see what I mean?

An example would be your first wife, whom you married probably thinking that she was a Methodist, but then later she turned out to be a Satanist!!! Altho your feelings for her may not have been as strong as those you had for your friend from whom you were parted, I am sure that the relationship changed from its rosy beginnings in the first years before you found out she was a Satanist. (What a horrific shock that must have been!)

I think if you went and spoke with a priest, he would be able to help you come up with a plan to deal with a lot of these different things, and he might tell you that you need to deal with you *other *problems before even thinking about your long-lost friend, whom you may not be in a position to think about romantically anyway. I think that if you were to see a good counselor, you would be able to heal from some of the pain, and untangle some of the rather complicated situations so that you could discern the best way forward for you.

And you need to do that without thinking about your friend, because you need to let God heal you rather than thinking that she might be able to.

So I would suggest talking with a priest, or maybe calling the diocese to see if there is someone you can talk to about these things. And persevere in this: some priests are really overworked, and may even be having a bad day and be unable to be helpful. If that happens, call someone else, and keep calling til you find someone who can at least direct you in a good direction.

But most of all, pray and get closer to God. I am setting up some information about reading the Bible for my children, and I ran across this: Praying is us talking with God, reading is God talking with us. The reading referred to is what we call spiritual reading: the Bible first and foremost, and the spiritual writings of the saints and others.

God bless you in your journey; I will pray for you.
 
I want to thank all of you that have offered both words of consolation, support and advice. Some of you made some very valid points, many of which I have already thought of myself.

Some replies to questions or observations:

To those who asked about counseling with a psychologist/Psychiatrist – Yes, we have been seeing both for close to 15 years. We have both tried numerous medications with little to no effect on our relationship or overall mental health.

To those who zeroed in on my relationship with my father, you are all correct. I have never recovered from his loss. I was in school during my senior year when a family friend came to the Principal’s office to tell me my father had passed. Although he was a close family friend I know he was as upset as I was as my father had the heart attack that took him in his home and he had the unpleasant task of watching my father die as the paramedics worked on him. Our friend was not one to be diplomatic and my learning of my father passing was in the form of “I don’t know how to tell you this, but your father died.” My father was 57 years old and on my bookshelf I have a box containing the pocket change he gave me that morning when I left for school. I think the thing that bothers me the most is I never got to say goodbye, he was just gone.

To those who ask if I want to leave my marriage because of the person I was never able to have a relationship with – I reconnected with the person from my past only recently. My marriage on the other hand has been failing for many years. I had started considering ending the marriage at least 7 years ago, but the financial situation and other considerations made ending the marriage difficult to do. All during my current marriage I had no contact or knowledge of the person from my past. I honestly believed she had married long ago. It was therefore a shock to me that after all this time she had no one in her life.

To those who point out that the feelings I have for this person are from long ago: There is a line from an old TV show that constantly goes through my mind “You may find that the having is not nearly as good as the wanting”. I know in my mind that my feelings are for a phantom, a ghost from my past. The problem is the difficulty in getting my heart to reconcile the fact that the person of today is not the same person I knew long ago. There is almost 40 years of life between the person I knew and what that person has become, not to mention what I have become during that time. This is something I don’t have an answer for at this time.

Concerning the dissolution of my marriage I’m not sure where any of that stands. What is the effect of my first marriage? That was a civil divorce from someone who was as it turned out a confirmed Satanist, I’m not saying this lightly either. When I finally found out the truth she informed me that she had been a High Priestess in a Witches Coven when she was in college but she assured me that was behind her. At first I believed her since we were attending a Methodist church and members of the choir, but then things started to change. She purchased a black kitten that she began teaching to perch on her shoulder and insisted we name Satan. She wanted it to be her familiar. If I had not lived through this I would think it was an exaggeration, but this is exactly what happend. I actually thought things like this only happend in fairy tails. I knew it was time to exit the marriage when I found a bag in our bedroom closet containing a brand new Satanic Bible and a Black Mass book. So what would any church’s stance be in that situation?

Anyway, again my thanks to you all for your kind words.
 
Lost Again,
For answers concerning the state of your marriages, you must speak with someone trained in that area, in person. There should be a person right in your parish, or in a nearby parish, who is trained in this way, and that is the person you need to discuss it with. Parishes get calls like this *all the time, *and they have a regular set-up to help people in your type of situation.
 
I understand that your current marriage was not working out when you regained contact with your friend. Nonetheless you were staying with her and providing for your household to the best of your ability. It seems like regaining contact with your friend is the driving force in questioning whether or not you should continue to do so.

It seems like you are asking for specifics about whether or not annulments/remarriage are “allowed”. I’m guessing few respondents are experts in cannon law, as as it has been pointed out you need to look elsewhere for those specific answers.

Yet one cannot live by cannon technicality alone, but by living the Gospel. That is who you have asked – a group of people trying their hardest to pray and live faithfully, the heart of the Gospel. In the heart of Christianity, it is wrong to leave your disabled wife of 26 years, and marry someone you think will make you less depressed (sorry if I am putting words in your mouth, that is how I took your post), It is also possible that your depression, which you tell us has been extremely difficult to treat, sorry to say that is not unheard of to have depression not respond well to meds, is contributing to the current state of your marriage, and this is a problem you would bring with you into a new relationship.

Again, I urge you to contact the priest you spoke, or any priest, and turn your life back to God. I will pray He will bring you the peace you are seeking. God bless you.
 
It seems like you are asking for permission to leave your wife to be with another woman. I do not live your life and know only what you have shared, but in reading your posts this is the impression I got. If you continue living in the past you will not enjoy the present or look forward to the future. You said you have seen a counselor, but gave the impression that you did not try getting anything out of it. It is not going to work if you simply go through the motions. It is hard to know if this is what your wife is doing. Maybe a heart to heart is in order, with a new counselor present.
 
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