Where do we get the assertion that Satan is a fallen angel?

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I don’t know many scriptures of the Old Testament or the New, but there seems to be a movement within some Protestant Churches (As per my Father’s letting me know) to bring attention to the fact that scriptures which have been held by many as describing Satan, are in fact not. The first is Isaiah 14, which after reading it, does seem pretty clearly to be referring to the king of Babylon. The second is Ezekiel 28, the fall of the cherub of Eden, which also pretty plainly references the king of Tyre.

I guess this smaller question is a part of a much bigger question regarding angelolgy and how Satan fits into that picture as having been an angel, if at all. Where do we get the notion that Satan is a fallen angel.
 
I don’t know many scriptures of the Old Testament or the New, but there seems to be a movement within some Protestant Churches (As per my Father’s letting me know) to bring attention to the fact that scriptures which have been held by many as describing Satan, are in fact not.
Unless the father declaring this to you is the one Who art in heaven, he does not have that authority (i.e., to interpret scripture definitively). “May in fact not” makes more sense.
The first is Isaiah 14, which after reading it, does seem pretty clearly to be referring to the king of Babylon.
Which has never been denied. The point is that this king of babylon at that point made himself conveniently comparable to the devil from an apocalyptic (revelation) point of view, which is a unique genre and relies heavily on things like metaphors.

King Herod and the Roman Emperor Nero would likewise make themselves fitting figures for the Antichrist. The original Antichrist type can be found in the books of the Maccabees. Again, just because they are based on real people does not exclude or deny the association with the devil.
guess this smaller question is a part of a much bigger question regarding angelolgy and how Satan fits into that picture as having been an angel, if at all. Where do we get the notion that Satan is a fallen angel.
Jesus Himself said,

Luke: [18] And he said to them: I saw Satan like lightning falling from heaven.

Notice also that in the second creation account in Genesis (2.4 et seqq.) the introduction clearly tells us that we are being told of the genealogies of the heavens and the earth; however, we are immediately given an account of the creation of man and his Fall. On a first reading, this would be the geneaology of man/earth only; however, he figure of the serpent would seem to be the only thing in the account that could -based on a traditional reading of this serpent being actually Satan- have anything to do with a (once) heavenly being and its prodigy/ilk (God puts enmity between the offspring of Eve and the offspring of the serpent/devil).

2:[4] These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

3:[1] Now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made.

3: [15] I will put enmities between thee [the serpent] and the woman, and thy [the serpent’s] seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
 
Luke 10:18

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

Revelation 12:3-4

“Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.”

Your dad’s Church is yet another that has fallen prey to the private interpretation of scripture. This practice is prohibited by Saint Peter in 2 Peter 1:20. They simply do not follow the bible. But, I am sure that pastor, as mistaken as he is, remains a very personable, persuasive and otherwise agreeable person.
 
Revelation also paints a pretty picture of Lucifer being an angel and then being cast out of heaven with 1/3 of the angels.
 
Job chapters 1 & 2 describe “the satan” present with the “sons of God” which we interpret to mean angels.
 
Here is the Mormon “orthodoxy” – in the preexistence, when all premortal humans were considered angelic spirits, a council was held to discuss the plan of salvation. One of the angels in this council was Lucifer, who offered his plan which was rejected by Heavenly Father because Lucifer wanted to receive most of the glory. As a result, Lucifer was cast out into the Outer Darkness (Mormons do not believe in an outright Hell) and thus became Satan; also, one-third of the angelic spirits joined him. In that same council, Jesus offered his plan which directed all the glory to Heavenly Father, and, as a result, he was chosen as the Savior.
 
Which has never been denied. The point is that this king of babylon at that point made himself conveniently comparable to the devil from an apocalyptic (revelation) point of view, which is a unique genre and relies heavily on things like metaphors…

King Herod and the Roman Emperor Nero would likewise make themselves fitting figures for the Antichrist. The original Antichrist type can be found in the books of the Maccabees. Again, just because they are based on real people does not exclude or deny the association with the devil.
That possibility certainly isn’t ruled out, but it is a stretch for me without my seeing a good deal of knowledge from a reputable authority both into the history of that time and the motives of those kings as well as insight into the meanings that Isaiah and Ezekiel intended to transmit from their visions. I mean, if we’re talking about treading lightly the waters of “interpretation”, it takes a lot more liberty of interpretation to get to that than it does the mere observation that the books explicitly name the kings of Herod and Tyre.

Really, I’m not leaning one way or the other, but merely interested in whatever truth there is at the core of it. I don’t want to excuse any interpretations ex post facto, I want my interpretation to come first from knowledge and understanding. These are two things I lack about much of scripture, but what I do not lack is the capacity distinguish what is explicit and what may be implicit. Truth brought me to the Catholic Church and I’ll be damned if I stop putting the effort forth myself and start accepting convenient plausibilities without further exploration.
 
Luke 10:18

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

Revelation 12:3-4

“Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.”

Your dad’s Church is yet another that has fallen prey to the private interpretation of scripture. This practice is prohibited by Saint Peter in 2 Peter 1:20. They simply do not follow the bible. But, I am sure that pastor, as mistaken as he is, remains a very personable, persuasive and otherwise agreeable person.
:amen:
 
That possibility certainly isn’t ruled out, but it is a stretch for me without my seeing a good deal of knowledge from a reputable authority both into the history of that time and the motives of those kings as well as insight into the meanings that Isaiah and Ezekiel intended to transmit from their visions. I mean, if we’re talking about treading lightly the waters of “interpretation”, it takes a lot more liberty of interpretation to get to that than it does the mere observation that the books explicitly name the kings of Herod and Tyre.
Yes, but remember that -from the Christian perspective- the OT was meant to be fulfilled, which means that it cannot be 100% “filled,” otherwise there would be nothing to fulfill.

OT prophecies usually have two elements: e.g., something (sometimes a miracle, as with Hannah) that prompts a/the prophecy, accompanied by a partial fulfillment, which accredits the prophecy/prophet. God knows we can’t listen to just any jack or jill who claims to be God’s prophet: he accredits his prophets by accompanying their prophecies or ministries with signs, wonders or miracles: signs, e.g., might be natural (e.g., an earthquake, a flood, a draught or whatever) but their timing is such that it’s the height of incredulity to dismiss it as an accident or coincidence. Miracles are, obviously, clearly outside the natural or usual order, such as spontaneous and complete healings or the Sun standing still for extended periods of time or behaving irradically (e.g., at Fatima).

A partially fulfilled prophecy ensures the Prophet is remembered, because not all prophecies are contemporary. You have to ensure that the prophecy is remembered by future generations. If you don’t accompany future prophecies with partial fulfillments or realizations, then the prophecy would be forgotten. So what happens is certain prophecies are noted for being either 1) completely fulfilled later by this or that event, and are now used as proof for God’s power or Lordship over history; or 2) partly fulfilled and the full manifestation is yet to come about.

Take, e.g., Isaiah’s prophecy of the virgin birth was partly fulfilled when the king’s wife (if memory serves me) became pregnant, but she didn’t completely realize the prophecy because she was already married (I think she was barren however). This accredits the prophet but leaves the original prophecy a source of mystery, wonder and expectation. Hannah’s prophecy was likewise accredited with a partial fulfillmet in her having more children, but she did not completely fulfill the prophecy in her person, as she did not herself have the seven children the prophecy predicted, but was short of that number. Abraham, whom the OT already explicitly named a Prophet, said that “God himself shall provide the lamb” (for the sacrifice). God provided Abraham with a ram.

In the case of the devil as fallen angel or the Antichrist, the historical figures used and the descriptions employed to describe them sometimes do not completely line-up. Consequently the audience realizes that this prophecy is not* just *about this historical figure, but most also be about another, e.g., possible a future figure who will fulfill to the letter all of the criteria or is simultaneously also about the devil who, of course, exists contemporaneously.
 
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