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Jesus Christ never condemned it, so where do we get the idea that its sinful?
That is a teaching handed down from the very beginning.where do we get the idea that its sinful?
Until the past few decades there was no such thing as contraception as we know it today. So it’s not surprising that Jesus didn’t talk about it. It didn’t exist.Jesus Christ never condemned it, so where do we get the idea that its sinful?
It’s a good explanation, nodito, but I think what I always have problems with is, that it’s dodgy thing to cite “natural law”. By nature, human beings aren’t meant to live as long as we do, on the whole, and it would be much more in accordance with “natural law” to let measles or cancers or whatever ravage us, or indeed that we should simply die of old age earlier than we often do. (If God designed our bodies, He also designed diseases to destroy them (and to suggest that He didn’t, or at least He allowed development, I think treads a line close to Gnosticism) ).Contraception violates natural law. Natural law is the idea that things and people work best when treated in accord with their design. We know, for example, that our eyes were made to see. Our digestive systems were made to digest food so as to provide our bodies with energy. Etc. In short, God designed our bodies in a certain way and doing something to deliberately render a part of it dysfunctional is wrong, just as it would be wrong to deliberately blind oneself or to make oneself vomit after eating to avoid the consequences of weigh gain.
So it’s not revealed truth that contraception is sinful but rather something that we should be able to reason our way to.
Mine is a crude explanation and I don’t really have time to write a thesis about it, but I recommend Janet Smith’s essay on natural law and sexual morality. goodmorals.org/smith5.htm
If you view conception as a disease to be treated then I can see why you would think that.it’s no more against nature for a couple to use a condom than it is to have kidney dialysis.
Conception doesn’t have to be a disease, but it can be unwanted. An unwanted pregnancy can be worse than a disease for some people.If you view conception as a disease to be treated then I can see why you would think that.
I think your confusion is between what is natural, or appearing in nature, and what is in accord with nature. I often hear people argue in the context of a contraception debate that by this logic, prescription glasses or hearing aids, for example, are not natural, and therefore wrong. Or, on the flip side, that some people are naturally infertile (or naturally blind) and so it can not be a violation of natural law to render oneself sterile. But that’s confusing what is in nature (sickness, illness, sterility, blindness, death, etc) with what is in accord with our natures.It’s a good explanation, nodito, but I think what I always have problems with is, that it’s dodgy thing to cite “natural law”. By nature, human beings aren’t meant to live as long as we do, on the whole, and it would be much more in accordance with “natural law” to let measles or cancers or whatever ravage us, or indeed that we should simply die of old age earlier than we often do. (If God designed our bodies, He also designed diseases to destroy them (and to suggest that He didn’t, or at least He allowed development, I think treads a line close to Gnosticism) ).
Now there is absolutely a moral argument to be made against contraception (cf. what SolomonGrundy wrote above) and I agree with it, but it’s no more against nature for a couple to use a condom than it is to have kidney dialysis. Well, that’s my view anyway![]()
There is a very important distinction, though. Kidney dialysis (or other such examples) seek to restore to the body the way it ought to work. Contraception goes against the way a body ought to work.but it’s no more against nature for a couple to use a condom than it is to have kidney dialysis. Well, that’s my view anyway![]()
I guess we were composing our posts at the same time.I think the confusion is between what is natural and what is in accord with nature. I often hear people argue in the context of a contraception debate that by this logic, prescription glasses or hearing aids, for example, are not natural, and therefore wrong. Or, on the flip side, that some people are naturally infertile (or naturally blind) and so it can not be a violation of natural law to render oneself sterile. But that’s confusing what is in nature (sickness, illness, sterility, blindness, death, etc) with what is in accord with our natures.
Our bodies were designed in a certain way, to function in a certain way. Our eyes were designed to see; we know this even though some people are born blind or acquire river blindness. Because our eyes were designed to see, it is in accord with our nature to restore eye sight when we can. That diseases that hurt eyesight exist in nature doesn’t contradict this.
When a person gets measles, we rightly identify that as an attack on the body, an illness that can be legitimately treated. This is because it is not a violation of our nature, of the way we were designed, to attempt to restore our bodies to health.
But consider that contraception does not cure an illness, but actually renders a functioning system of the body to be dysfunctional. Yes, sterility exists in nature. Yes, some people are born without the necessary anatomy to reproduce. But we can still logically look at the reproductive system and deduce that it was designed so that when man and woman come together they may conceive a child. So it is in accord with our nature to maintain the act as it was designed and to maintain our reproductive systems the way they were intended to be. It is a violation of this nature to render oneself sterile or alter the act to be something other than how it was designed to be.
So to look at your main objection, I would argue that kidney dialysis is in accord with nature because it seeks to help restore the body to health, whereas a condom is not in accord with nature because it seeks to circumvent/deny/change the way our reproductive systems were designed to interact.
Because it is exactly opposite of what God Himself commanded our first parents TO DO, starting with Genesis 1:28 and then again to Noah and his sons in Genesis 9:1,7Jesus Christ never condemned it, so where do we get the idea that its sinful?
Jesus also never explicitly condemned selling children into slavery. Catholic morality is not a matter of “It’s only bad if Jesus explicitly condemned it, otherwise, it’s up for grabs.” Jesus laid down the general principles (which had been progressively revealed throughout the Old Testament) and He entrusted this Revelation to the Church to apply in every age.Jesus Christ never condemned it, so where do we get the idea that its sinful?
St. Clement of AlexandriaBecause of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted [Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2 (c. A.D. 197)].
To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature [ibid., 2:10:95:3].
Well, there is a 100% effective way to not get pregnant, and it doesn’t involve surgery or contraception. Or acting like Miley Cyrus.Conception doesn’t have to be a disease, but it can be unwanted. An unwanted pregnancy can be worse than a disease for some people.
Respectfully, there are cases when it is no the woman’s choice. Not disagreeing with you in the least, just pointing that out. As some of us have had to go through this situation.Well, there is a 100% effective way to not get pregnant, and it doesn’t involve surgery or contraception. Or acting like Miley Cyrus.
But would that not take away my right to fornicate?Well, there is a 100% effective way to not get pregnant, and it doesn’t involve surgery or contraception. Or acting like Miley Cyrus.