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RyanK
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Where does the Eastern Rite stand with the Pope?
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Fox
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Full communion with the Holy See.
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Wesley7
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I’m not sure.
When the Papal Encyclicals address the Eastern Churches do they mean the Eastern Catholics or the Eastern Orthodox Churches? . .
When the Papal Encyclicals address the Eastern Churches do they mean the Eastern Catholics or the Eastern Orthodox Churches? . .
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Ghosty
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Slightly to the left!
Peace and God bless!
Peace and God bless!
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Alexander_Roman
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By “Eastern Rite” I take it you mean “Eastern Rite Catholic . . .”
On the other hand, there is now “Western Rite Orthodox.”
The Eastern Catholic Churches acknowledge the Pope as the supreme pontiff and are in union with him.
My question to you is, “How come you didn’t know that?”
Alex
On the other hand, there is now “Western Rite Orthodox.”
The Eastern Catholic Churches acknowledge the Pope as the supreme pontiff and are in union with him.
My question to you is, “How come you didn’t know that?”
Alex
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Formosus
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Eastern Catholics have time and time again shown their loyalty to the Holy See. My question is “where do the Roman Christians stand with the Pope?”
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GaryTaylor
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Ryan, the term Eastern/Western Rite Catholics is very telling. It indicates there was conscious rational decision made to be in Communion with Rome.
Wesley, the Pope speaks for ALL Christianity, and those not in communion often don’t like what they hear.
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Wesley, the Pope speaks for ALL Christianity, and those not in communion often don’t like what they hear.
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Alexander_Roman
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Historically, the various “Unions” with the Eastern Churches have no had a good report, even by Roman Catholic standards.
Political pressure and what-not were involved and the people were not asked if they wanted to be in union with Rome - they did as they were told.
After the Union of Brest, Eastern Catholics were asked why the Pope was now being commemorated in their Liturgies.
They answered, “Well, it must be that the Pope has finally decided to join our Orthodox Church!”
And the policy of Rome today is to repudiate the “Union” as a model of church unity.
Alex
Political pressure and what-not were involved and the people were not asked if they wanted to be in union with Rome - they did as they were told.
After the Union of Brest, Eastern Catholics were asked why the Pope was now being commemorated in their Liturgies.
They answered, “Well, it must be that the Pope has finally decided to join our Orthodox Church!”
And the policy of Rome today is to repudiate the “Union” as a model of church unity.
Alex
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jerry_joseph
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I am an eastern rite catholic. While keeping the identity of our liturgy and traditions we accepts all teachings of holy roman catholic church regarding pope and the matters of faith. Latin rite is devoloped in western roman empire and Syrian and Greek rites where devoloped in Eastern roman empire. Pope is successor of peter and other rites holds its successions from other apostoles of jesus. Our church holds succession from St Thomas.
Those churches accepts the primacy pope is called as eastern rite catholic church. Those which does not accepts popes primacy is known as Orthodox churches. They treats pope as a bishop of rome only and not the overall leader of christianity.
Orthodox and Catholic churches have apostolic traditions. We can see lot of common beliefs in catholic and orthodox churches that Belief in Eucharism, Devotion to Holy Virgin Mary, Sacraments etc But we cannot see such things (mainly devotion to holy virgin mary) in newly generated churches such as protestant churches and pentecostal churches…
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steve_b
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Alex,
I think I’ve asked this before. You probably didn’t see the request.
Could you explain the highlighted sentence above. I don’t understand. Especially in view of this encyclical. Look at the efforts made to preserve the union, the rights, AND the rite.
vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_23121945_orientales-omnes-ecclesias_en.html
and
http://www.sacredheartofjesus.ca/UkrainianChurch/ukrCathChurchHist.htm
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/05/storm-clouds-in-ukraine
I ask because I want to understand
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Wesley7
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fred_conty
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Wesley7
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I have no issue concerning reconciliation with the Catholic Pope.
However, I do not know what legitimate Orthodox Bishops are saying on those terms.
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Alexander_Roman
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Hi Steve!
Yes, I’ve no problem with the uncanonized Pope St Pius XII! My father belonged to an underground Catholic organization during WWII under this Pope (Caritas) that helped people in trouble escape the Nazis. Pius XII was a strong defender of the EC Churches, especially in Eastern Europe.
But that was then, and this is now. In terms of references, I’ve read this whole thing about the repudiation of the “Unia” model in articles and also at conferences/lectures. I don’t have anything in black and white to share with you right now. But I will look.
Even Pope Benedict XVI was quoted not too long ago telling Russian Orthodox, in effect, that we have “inherited” the Unia issue (as if to say, “please don’t blame us in 2011”).
I see by your quotation from Pius XII that you are a traditional Catholic - I applaud you.
I am currently busy working on finding another job (my recent prospect fell through as a result of a poor remuneration package that was kept from me until the last possible moment).
But I will be pleased to see what I can find for you, sir.
Laudetur Jesus Christus!
Alex
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Alexander_Roman
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Dear Fred,
Yes indeed. Our former Patriarch Lubomyr Cardinal Husar suggested the same to the Orthodox to create one Church in Ukraine within the framework of a “communion with Rome” and also with the Orthodox Patriarchs.
This was written up by the Orthodox press and was quite heavily “pooh-poohed.”
Our Saint Andrew Sheptytsky, Metropolitan of Galicia (+1944) made a similar overture to the Orthodox in his day and when it was rejected by them, he lamented that at no time did he suggest the Orthodox “convert” or accept the model of unity of the Union of Brest. He said he was open to suggestions of a new model of communion with Rome and that if the Orthodox Metropolitan of Kyiv accepted it, he was more than willing to step down and be under that Metropolitan in communion with Rome.
In fact, in western Ukraine, relations between the Greek-Catholics and the Ukrainian Orthodox (although non-canonical) have never been better. In a growing number of cases, both Churches will together contruct a parish church in a town which they will BOTH use at the same time.
As a Greek-Catholic, I admired the Ukrainian Orthodox translation of a service of the Stations of the Cross and Passia in Ukraine. I sent them money for the publication, which allowed them to quickly publish it and disseminate it widely, even for the use of Eastern Catholics.
I am very happy and proud to have been able to collaborate with them on this liturgical/devotional project!
For me, they are my brothers and sisters and we truly do form one Church, albeit not in full communion yet.
Alex
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fred_conty
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Hi Alex,
Thanks for your update on the Eastern Catholics appealing to the Eastern Orthodox for
union. In was more than informative, it was touching.
The union of Brest was mentioned as a less than ideal model for union.
There is an article in CAF enclycopedia on this and briefly it says:
“Bishops Gideon Balaban, of Lemberg, and Michael Kopystenski, of Przemysl, having
declared themselves opposed to the union, were deposed and excommunicated. Their
dioceses remained in schism until 1720.”
And further:
“Sigismund III… ordered the Ruthenians to recognize as bishops only those who had
accepted the act of union.”
It might be referring to this unfortunate division and the lack of carring out a full union,
May St. Jude help you find a position that will help you in your future life.
Thanks for your update on the Eastern Catholics appealing to the Eastern Orthodox for
union. In was more than informative, it was touching.
The union of Brest was mentioned as a less than ideal model for union.
There is an article in CAF enclycopedia on this and briefly it says:
“Bishops Gideon Balaban, of Lemberg, and Michael Kopystenski, of Przemysl, having
declared themselves opposed to the union, were deposed and excommunicated. Their
dioceses remained in schism until 1720.”
And further:
“Sigismund III… ordered the Ruthenians to recognize as bishops only those who had
accepted the act of union.”
It might be referring to this unfortunate division and the lack of carring out a full union,
leaving some bishops behind.
May St. Jude help you find a position that will help you in your future life.
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RyanK
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Well, I was just baptized this past Easter so I still don’t know much about a lot of different things in the Catholic Church. My friend actually told me there’s eight rites to the Catholic Church, what are they?
P.S. Thank you everyone for the great answers!
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josethomas2005
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The following quotes give you an insight on where is the position of Eastern rites on the authority of Pope.
The former Major Archbishop of Syro Malabar Catholic church, Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil said, “What is the authrority of Rome/ On what basis, Rome appoints bishops all over the world? From where it got all these powers? In the first centuries, there was a dispute between Rome and Antioch, who is head and superior.”
Cardinal said these words after returning from Rome attending the conclave that elected Holy father Pope Benedict 16 as Pope.
The Major Archbishop of Syro Malankara catholic church, Baselius Mor Cleemis said, "According to Antiochene tradition, Patrirach of Antioch is the head of the christian church and successor of apostle Peter. His official name is Ignatius. Archbishop Joseph Powathil presided over my election as Major Archbishop. After my election, Archbishop Joseph Powathil adviced me to be sincere and faithful to Antiochene tradition and Aniochene liturgy always’.
In the beginning of the previous century, the great American Archbishop, Cardinal James Gibbons said, “Peter went to Antioch, established the church there and served as the bishop there. What is the authority of Rome?”
The former Major Archbishop of Syro Malabar Catholic church, Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil said, “What is the authrority of Rome/ On what basis, Rome appoints bishops all over the world? From where it got all these powers? In the first centuries, there was a dispute between Rome and Antioch, who is head and superior.”
Cardinal said these words after returning from Rome attending the conclave that elected Holy father Pope Benedict 16 as Pope.
The Major Archbishop of Syro Malankara catholic church, Baselius Mor Cleemis said, "According to Antiochene tradition, Patrirach of Antioch is the head of the christian church and successor of apostle Peter. His official name is Ignatius. Archbishop Joseph Powathil presided over my election as Major Archbishop. After my election, Archbishop Joseph Powathil adviced me to be sincere and faithful to Antiochene tradition and Aniochene liturgy always’.
In the beginning of the previous century, the great American Archbishop, Cardinal James Gibbons said, “Peter went to Antioch, established the church there and served as the bishop there. What is the authority of Rome?”
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ConstantineTG
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Would you please consider moving to the West Coast?
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Aelred_Minor
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Please use your inside voice.
I’m reasonably confident you are misrepresenting these individuals by quoting them out of context, at least the great Cardinal Gibbons, whose works I’ve not read but heard a lot about. I suspect the question he asked in that quote was not rhetorical but was answered by him later.
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