Where Have All The Apostates And Anti-Mormons Gone?

[AirLiner]

Zerinus thinks hes beaten us but go back and look at his posts and you’ll see how often he gets beaten in arguments.

 

[zerinus]

Do Mormons think lifelong Catholics are apostates?

No.

Or just those who used to be Mormon and are no longer?

See explanation given above.

The standard definition of apostate is one who used to have Christian belief and doesn’t any more. I’m not sure by that definition a Mormon could be an apostate. I’m not convinced Mormonism is Christian.Or Jehovahs Witnesses for that matter.

I was referring to Mormon apostates—i.e. apostates from Mormonism who now oppose it and fight against it.

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

Sorry to be so quick to think you were stalling Zerenius. I guess you are not anything like that other mormon who said what he did on a protestant forum about catholics!

That is a huge relief.

I wouldn’t dream of saying such a thing. The Catholic Church is great. The best of the lot as far as traditionally Christianity is concerned. Love it to bits, honest!

Only Mormonism gets to be better!

Well, I would say you are right to dislike anyone falsely accusing your faith of things that are not true. I mean, Jack Chick does it, and Catholics are right to be upset by it.

Thank you, I agree.

Thank you for answering, I am confused about one thing, are you correct or is that other guy? I mean, do official mormon teachings consider all Catholics and the Catholic Church apostates- or was that guy just talking from his own personal view?

We believe that early Christianity went into apostasy in the early centuries, and lost the priesthood authority that it initially possessed; but that did not mean that Christianity (i.e. the Catholic Church) became evil, or stopped being true Christians, or anything of that description—such as the Protestants have traditionally asserted. Not at all! That is certainly not what we mean by it. I wrote an article in my Blog to explain what we mean by the Apostasy of the Christian church which you can read here if you are interested. If you have questions about that, I will be happy to discuss it further with you.

I don’t disagree with you for being upset with anyone who does not portray your faith accurately though.

Its just not right.

Thank you. I entirely agree. It is neither right to portray Catholics in that way (as Protestants and Evangelical have often done), nor Mormons.

zerinus

 

[1holycatholic]

I didn’t defeat them all by myself, did I!

zerinus

Odd, you claim to be a Mormon (apostates from Christianity), and your posts usually repudiate Mormonism. uch:

Ironically, you are the apostate and anti-Mormon. :doh2:

I, too, was wondering why I hadn’t seen any of your posts lately. :coffeeread:

 

[RobHom]

No.

You’re playing word games…

Perhaps you’d like to “spell out” just what the Mormon position is on the Catholic Church…?? Would some of what is on this site to be considered as “true”…if not, why?

mormoncurtain.com/topic_catholicchurch.html

And yes, I know who and what the site is…

Seems that the two are somewhat “incompatible”…as shown here on this site:

comparing-views.com/

There happens to be a significant amount of apologetics information on that link…of much value to Catholics.

zerinus… I have known many, many, many Mormons in my life, all of whom I have held in very high regard and respected greatly for who and what they were. I even served in combat with Mormons… but you my friend…are another story, and to put it succinctly…are not helping any Mormon cause.

 

[zerinus]

You’re playing word games…

Perhaps you’d like to “spell out” just what the Mormon position is on the Catholic Church…?? Would some of what is on this site to be considered as “true”…if not, why?

mormoncurtain.com/topic_catholicchurch.html

And yes, I know who and what the site is…

I assure you I am not playing games. That site is not a Mormon website, and presents falsehood about Mormonism. Those passages in the Book of Mormon that talk about the “great and abominable church” does NOT refer to the Catholic Church. That is a false interpretation of that verse.

It is true that some early Apostles of the Church had incorrectly expressed anti-Catholic sentiments; but that was misguided, and is not a position held by the LDS Church today.

Seems that the two are somewhat “incompatible”…as shown here on this site:

comparing-views.com/

There happens to be a significant amount of apologetics information on that link…of much value to Catholics.

I had a quick look. There is a lot of material there that I don’t have the time to read. I don’t dispute that there are significant theological differences between the two churches; but that does not mean that we have to be enemies. Neither the LDS Church as the leadership lever feel that that needs to be the case, nor the Catholic Church as far as I have been able to determine.

zerinus… I have known many, many, many Mormons in my life, all of whom I have held in very high regard and respected greatly for who and what they were. I even served in combat with Mormons… but you my friend…are another story, and to put it succinctly…are not helping any Mormon cause.

Well, I suggest you let me be the judge of that! You stick to defending the Catholic Church, and leave the defense of Mormonism to me!

zerinus

 

[mjf001]

I didn’t defeat them all by myself, did I!

zerinus

I’m still here and I have yet to see one argument regarding the LDS faith that doesn’t fall apart with even the most cursory examination. So, no you haven’t defeated anyone, sorry.

 

[the_phoenix]

Hi zerinus:

Just wanted to let you know that I somehow clicked on your thread here by accident, but wanted to compliment you on the astronomy picture in your signature. Gotta love that horsehead nebula of Orion.

That said, I will now bow out gracefully, being that I’m a happy cradle Catholic who feels to be in no need of debate at this time.

~~ the phoenix

 

[zerinus]

Hi zerinus:

Just wanted to let you know that I somehow clicked on your thread here by accident, but wanted to compliment you on the astronomy picture in your signature. Gotta love that horsehead nebula of Orion.

That said, I will now bow out gracefully, being that I’m a happy cradle Catholic who feels to be in no need of debate at this time.

~~ the phoenix

I have got loads more! I change them every day. Come back again and you will see lots more of the same.

zerinus

 

[RobHom]

I assure you I am not playing games. That site is not a Mormon website, and presents falsehood about Mormonism. Those passages in the Book of Mormon that talk about the “great and abominable church” does NOT refer to the Catholic Church. That is a false interpretation of that verse.

So then what you may be saying is that there are “radicals” among Mormons who are outside the mainstream who espouse these views? I see that as quite possible… Mainly because none of the Mormons I have ever known…some quite well, have never been antagonistic about Catholicism…not even the nice young guys that stopped by the house and chatted…they accepted the “cold water” and we had a nice chat… They were good kids! Seriously!

It is true that some early Apostles of the Church had incorrectly expressed anti-Catholic sentiments; but that was misguided, and is not a position held by the LDS Church today.

 

[zerinus]

Fair enough… I only made the comment because sometimes you come across…well…uncharitable, and I’ll leave it go at that.

Peace!!

I am only uncharitable towards apostates and anti-Mormons!

You don’t strike me as being such.

zerinus

 

[1holycatholic]

I’m still here and I have yet to see one argument regarding the LDS faith that doesn’t fall apart with even the most cursory examination. So, no you haven’t defeated anyone, sorry.

I have yet to see Zenrius present an argument for the LDS faith that wasn’t self-defeating. I’m glad he’s here. He provides a near constant stream of “teachable moments” about the LDS and their absolutely incoherent, non-Christian religion.

 

[stcalixtus]

I have got loads more! I change them every day. Come back again and you will see lots more of the same.

zerinus

As a Catholic I would rather live next door to LDS then someone who does not believe in God…at least we are on the same page eh? we organized christian churches should get along for there are so many Godless people in this world…peace be with you

 

[RobHom]

I am only uncharitable towards apostates and anti-Mormons!

You don’t strike me as being such.

zerinus

Thank you… I try not to be.

 

[RobHom]

As a Catholic I would rather live next door to LDS then someone who does not believe in God…at least we are on the same page eh? we organized christian churches should get along for there are so many Godless people in this world…peace be with you

I agree 100% with you!!

On a purely lighter note… There was one Mormon who hurt my feelings… It was in the 8th grade. A very nice young lady in my class… I asked her to go to a dance with me…she said “No”. But we were still friends…

 

[majick275]

actually i thought zerinus had proven my case for me when he supported the LOF. I am not here to attack Mormonism, i am here to defend Catholicism against Mormonism. i respond to the uninformed because they have only read faith promoting materials posts, the lying for the lord, the milk before meat and the various other Mormon missionary attempts that keep getting trotted out here by those hoping to CONvert Catholics or those inquiring about Catholicism. I also hope to help and encourage those mormons who are looking to join the catholic church.

zerinus is no threat to any of that. he is excellent comic relief though.

 

[RobHom]

Not to start an argument… But in all my years… and for as many years as I have known Mormons… I have yet to have one try to convert me… I have had many conversations with them, and almost never about religion… I’ve answered the door when their missionaries have knocked…and have always found them polite, clean, well dressed, and respectful. I’ve invited them in and in hot weather invited them to sit, and got them cold water… I felt sorry for some of them…the heat and humidity in FL can be brutal to one not used to it… When I told them I was a Catholic…they seemed genuinely happy that I was a “believer”…and I was friendly with them.
Why not? They were good kids…and sharp too! Some non-Mormon kids could stand a grooming lesson and deportment lesson or two from them!

I guess…some have tried to interest me in Mormonism via the web, but that will not work…I’m not a “convertible” in any sense. (Sorry…couldn’t help it)

 

[notsmart]

I think mormons should be able to come here to tell us about their faith, without having to waste time fighting false accusations against them.

 

[RobHom]

I think mormons should be able to come here to tell us about their faith, without having to waste time fighting false accusations against them.

I agree… that’s what this particular forum is all about. Unfortunately Mormons…like us Catholics have to spend a lot of time straightening people out on what we actually believe… because it seems that so very few non-Catholics really know…

Me, I know little about Mormonism…so I tend to decline commenting on things I know little about. I do know that there is a difference in theologies…but that in and of itself is not unique…

 

[AirLiner]

Zerinus, you agree with how its wrong to portray other faiths in inaccurate ways yet you wrote a whole blog about how Catholics worship Mary. Now even some Protestans agree that that’s veneration and respect, not worship. Isn’t writing a blog about how we worship Mary portraying our faith inaccurately?