Where Have All The Apostates And Anti-Mormons Gone?

[mfbukowski]

It was a glass house demonstration for rmcmullan. Mormons come here and speak about splits and I find it ironic when Mormons are split and call each other apostate Churches.

Yes, I’ve heard of Protestants. Mormons are more in a way a split from Protestantism with the influences of Joseph Smith’s evangelical mother had on him in his early life.

There are no splits here between Mormons.

 

[dzheremi]

Hahaha. The passage you quoted is Jesus’ reminder to his apostles that His Word will divide the world. HIS Word. Not Mormonism. Not Joesph Smith’s book.

The very idea that you would quote that passage to AMDGtoo to justify Mormonism’s shall we say “colorful” interpretation of the Bible and the faith that has led her grandchildren away from Christianity into a different belief that is absolutely at variance with world present and historical Christianity of both the Orthodox and Catholic traditions (the ONLY traditions that are apostolic, true Churches) is absolutely mindblowing. This is really no different than some of our Muslim posters who quote the same passage to show Christianity’s supposed endorsement of violence - just another person trying to twist Jesus’ words into supporting his decidedly non-Christian belief.

Wait, I take that back. There IS a difference: Muslims don’t claim to be Christians. You should also adopt that behavior from the Muslims.

 

[AMDGtoo]

There are no splits here between Mormons.

Excuse me??? The FLDS and all the independant polygamist groups plus the Reorganized Latter-Day Saints and the LDS are as one? I know that the LDS tried to distance themselves from the groups even just recently, but now…?

 

[mfbukowski]

Hahaha. The passage you quoted is Jesus’ reminder to his apostles that His Word will divide the world. HIS Word. Not Mormonism. Not Joesph Smith’s book.

The very idea that you would quote that passage to AMDGtoo to justify Mormonism’s shall we say “colorful” interpretation of the Bible and the faith that has led her grandchildren away from Christianity into a different belief that is absolutely at variance with world present and historical Christianity of both the Orthodox and Catholic traditions (the ONLY traditions that are apostolic, true Churches) is absolutely mindblowing. This is really no different than some of our Muslim posters who quote the same passage to show Christianity’s supposed endorsement of violence - just another person trying to twist Jesus’ words into supporting his decidedly non-Christian belief.

Wait, I take that back. There IS a difference: Muslims don’t claim to be Christians. You should also adopt that behavior from the Muslims.

What’s with this HAHAHAHa stuff? How old are you?

We disagree. We believe we ARE Christ’s church.

All she would have had to comeback with was the assertion that SHE was on the right side, and the scripture would still apply.

Start thinking a little people!!

 

[mfbukowski]

Excuse me??? The FLDS and all the independant polygamist groups plus the Reorganized Latter-Day Saints and the LDS are as one? I know that the LDS tried to distance themselves from the groups even just recently, but now…?

Did you notice the word “here”? I was attacking Prodigalson1’s implication that we were divided in our discussion HERE

 

[dzheremi]

What’s with this HAHAHAHa stuff? How old are you?

I can’t help but be amused sometimes at the incredible length to which Mormons will go to justify their stances and keep the idea that the conduct of their members is above reproach. It’s one of those things that if I didn’t laugh at it occasionally I’d have to cry.

We disagree. We believe we ARE Christ’s church.

Of course you do. Two billion, eighty-eight million Christians are just so stubborn or misinformed that they refuse to accept an addition to God’s complete and perfect word that was published in the 1800s in New York by a farmboy who dabbled in treasure hunting, polygamy, and wife-stealing. We’re obviously in a heap of trouble for not accepting his words, er, excuse me, the words of the ancient Hebrews of the Americas that he translated out of a hat.

All she would have had to comeback with was the assertion that SHE was on the right side, and the scripture would still apply.

What are you talking about? The scripture still applies no matter what “side” anyone thinks they’re on. My point wasn’t that the scripture doesn’t apply, but that you took it out of context in order to support something it wasn’t even addressing.

Start thinking a little people!!

Would that we all follow that directive…

 

[Matariel]

We disagree. We believe we ARE Christ’s church.

The Mormon organization was conjured up in the 1900’s, and has no connection to Christ, who lived 1,900 years before that. A child could point this out.

 

[scipio337]

Quiet, you!

All Latter Day Saint movement denominations are wholly in agreement and monolithic in their beliefs…

on Jupiter.

 

[Matariel]

Quiet, you!

All Latter Day Saint movement denominations are wholly in agreement and monolithic in their beliefs…

on Jupiter.

Or on the moon, where Joseph Smith says there are extraterrestrials who dress Quaker-style.

They must be *awefully *shy…

 

[AirLiner]

im gone for one day and theres about four pages of posts?! I got behind! oh well allow me to get back on the conversation.

Yes, before during and after the experience itself. But I won’t share what it was – it was private about my past and future life. It also included specific directions -certain things to do that helped confirm it to my rational mind. Places to go that I had never been before where I would see certain things. The factual knowledge helped “set up” and “conclude” the experience.

I have shared it all before but it is very personal and don’t feel that this is a good place to go into it.

I have told many people the details including some right after it happened, and everything is in principle verifiable by those people.

If you aquired knowledge after the experience it wasn’t supernatural. thats called learning. Youre not clear about the info you aquired during your “testimony” either. Did a place name pop into your head and then you found out the location was real? Did you imagine a landmark and see it once you got to the place whose name you aquired? You also mention getting info about your future life. Was it specific predictions for specific events or some general feeling about the future state of events? Please tell me.

 

[hosemonkey]

The tradition they are beneficiaries of is in my opinion, even more rich, but it is hard for you to see. You only see Joseph as a lying conman. But he saw far beyond what you think he saw.

Ski, you must understand that it is difficult for Catholics or any non-mormons to shut down our intellects and slow down our thought processes to the point that mormonism makes sense. The mormon “religion” is certainly rich in the tradition of deception,outright lies,sexual shenannigans, mind control, false “prophecy”, abuse of women etc, etc. Need I go on? And yes, we do see Joseph Smith as a lying con-man. Full stop.

Sure, you think that you are doing right. David Koresh thought that he was doing right. Jim Jones thought that he was doing right. Warren Jeffs (Your co-religionist) thought that he was doing right. Even Adolf Hitler thought that he was doing right. You are doing wrong and we Catholics will never understand nor accept it. Error has no rights.

 

[rmcmullan]

I am sorry that I mistakenly attributed post #493–written by your “cohort” rmcmullan–to you. Must be because the post referenced my post #452 to you.

However my last two posts do answer the familiar accusation by Mormons that the Catholic Church is just “another manmade Church” and was not founded by the Lord.

AMDGtoo, thank you at least for getting the point of what I was saying. You’re the only one who addressed the point I was making. As for the intimate history of what church split when, I admit I do not know it that well, I don’t go much further than what I read on Wikipedia. But also realise that it presents the hstorical facts without a Catholic bias.

As to the point that you’re a manmade religion, I think you have a heck of a lot more work to do if you want to convince me otherwise. Your claim to divinity seems to be orthodoxy and longevity, but that’s a circular argument. The longevity of the church you sprung from defines your orthodoxy. What Wikipedia calls the Great Schism looks to me just like a power struggle between two groups, not so much a fundamental doctrinal dispute as with the Protestants.

You claim to be the “original church” but you don’t look much like it. Clearly the Popes were political rulers and quasi-governmental within their states. My concern with Apostles is not met with the sophistry of Apostolic Succession. That’s clearly a self-serving claim.

Many god-fearing Catholics over the centuries have been blessed with the Holy Spirit and have accomplished many great and good works. And it continues today. And so far as I can see, they’ve been the standard bearer and protector of Christianty throughout the ages. But the hand of man is just as evident as the hand of God.

 

[AMDGtoo]

Your claim to divinity seems to be orthodoxy and longevity

No, the Catholic Church stems from what Jesus told Peter (Matthew 16:18-19.)

Aw, just admit it (one Mormon seminary teacher already did in his book An Insider’s View to Mormon Origins)–Joseph Smith just made up the LDS church. We already know that JS didn’t even have “glancing” knowledge of the Catholic Church (and you guys continue to try to keep your people ignorant about it while going “door-to-door” hoping to find a Catholic who will desert Our Lord).

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

There are no splits here between Mormons.

Maybe you’re all LDS or RDLS? There are definite splits in Mormonism itself, with Church of Christ Temple Lot accusing the others sects of being apostasized from the restoration gospel.

Even though you claim all here are not split, I’d like to point out in a discussion about the temple prophesy of Joseph Smith (Doctrines and Covenants 84.1-6), I saw 4 different answers on why that prophesy has not come true. That doesn’t appear to be all of the same mind, same judgement and same voice.

 

[JohnVIII]

Where Have All The Apostates And Anti-Mormons Gone? I didn’t defeat them all by myself, did I!

J8: Here’s one right here. From a Mormon view I’m an apostate - and proud of it! I’m not offended if someone labels me an anti-Mormon either.

 

[Jerusha]

Given the labels Mormons have pasted on me, anti-Mormon is a compliment. They generate anti-Mormonism by calling every non-Mormon who knows anything about Mormonism an anti-Mormon.

And ignorance is dangerous.

 

[zerinus]

J8: Here’s one right here. From a Mormon view I’m an apostate - and proud of it! I’m not offended if someone labels me an anti-Mormon either.

You are welcome to it! Who am I to try to deny you the honor!

zerinus

 

[mfbukowski]

Maybe you’re all LDS or RDLS? There are definite splits in Mormonism itself, with Church of Christ Temple Lot accusing the others sects of being apostasized from the restoration gospel.

Even though you claim all here are not split, I’d like to point out in a discussion about the temple prophesy of Joseph Smith (Doctrines and Covenants 84.1-6), I saw 4 different answers on why that prophesy has not come true. That doesn’t appear to be all of the same mind, same judgement and same voice.

We get to think for ourselves. We even get to interpret scripture. We have no magesterium doing it for us. It’s called freedom. You should try it sometime

 

[dzheremi]

We have free will. See, for instance, this passage from an article on the Church’s position on free will.

You indeed are also free, and look at the choices you have made. To follow a Church that says you can become Gods. Congratulations. That must’ve required a drastic “personal interpretation” of scripture (or abandonment of it in favor of the BoM, more likely), as that is not a doctrine that is taught by ANY Christian church that I know of. Even when I was a Protestant, and such lived under this ruinous idea of personal interpretation, no one EVER taught me anything like that.

 

[hosemonkey]

We get to think for ourselves. We even get to interpret scripture. We have no magesterium doing it for us. It’s called freedom. You should try it sometime

No, we call it obedience to the instructions given to us by Jesus Christ, you mormons ought to try it sometime, rather than follow that “home-brew” religion invented by the fevered mind of Joseph Smith.

Break it down.
**“We get to think for ourselves.” ** Means that every man has his own version of mormon “doctrine”. You and zerinus, for example.

**“We even get to interpret scripture.” ** Means that you get to put your own spin on the parts that you mistranslated from the Bible and you get to quote from bogus “scripture” trumped up by various mormon “prophets” and “scholars”, POGP, JOD, D&C, BOM, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

"We have no Magisterium doing it for us. It’s called freedom."
You do have a magisterium. (I like to call it a "Hysterium) It’s the Old Men of Salt Lake City. They just cannot seem to agree or decide on what is “canonized” and what is not. "It’s called, Chaos."