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yes the Shia read the same Quran. And the Islamic Sunni hadith say Ali had a copy of the Quran. And the Sunni hadith say that Uthman decided the orders of the chapters in the Quran and this is called Tahreef in Islam.
Ibn ’Abbas said to ’Uthman, ‘What made you combine the chapter of the Anfal and the chapter of Tawba (repentance) without separating them by the verse, “In the name of God the compassionate, the Merciful”? (And why) did you put them among the seven long (chapters)?’ ’Uthman said, ‘The chapters used to be bestowed upon the apostle of God. The chapter of Anfal was among the early ones which were revealed in Medina and the chapter of Repentance was among the last revealed. Its story was similar to the early story (of the Anfal), so I thought that it was part of it. Then the apostle of God died without showing us that it was part of the (Anfal); thus, I combined them and did not write between them the verse, “In the name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful”, and it is among the long ones."’
The order and organization of the Qur’an depended on ’Uthman’s view as he admitted to ibn ’Abbas but the Suyuti tells us in “The Itqan” that a dispute broke out among the scholars because of this verse which was revealed in some of the seven readings but not in all of them
So instead of rosy and pinky portrayal of things, why not read what your sources say.
Ibrahim al-Abyari, in “The History of the Qur’an” (3rd print, 1982, page 107). He plainly says,
“There were also other copies of the Qur’an such as the copy of Abi Musa al-Ash’ari, al-Maqdad ibn al-Aswad, and Salim the client of Abi Huthayfa. There were differences between those copies, differences which Huthayka attested to it. That frightened ’Uthman, thus he issued an order to collect the Qur’an because the Kufis followed the copy of ibn Mas’ud; the Syrians the copy of ibn Abi Ka’b; the people of Basra, the copy of Musa al-Ash’ari; the Damascenes, the copy of ibn Maqdad.”
He adds:
“Ibn Qutayba says that the differences between the recitations of the various Qur’anic copies may include the meaning also.”
Also he says:
"When Abu Bakr and ’Umar assigned Zayd ibn Thabit to compile the Qur’an, there was a previous compilation of the Qur’an made by a group of the greatest companions such as ’Ali ibn Abi Talib, ibn Mas’ud and ibn ’Abbas and others."
Sunni references talk about different Qurans previous to uthman’s copy, including Ali’s. Where is Ali’s Quran, Ali who is supposed to know more than Uthman? what about ibn Mas’ud and ibn ’Abbas who were (according to Muhammad) the most knowledgeable people in the Qur’an? Why did they not at least take their opinions? because they opposed Uthman.
In regard to the copy of ’Ali ibn Abi Talib, the Imam Khu’i says in his book, “al-Bayan”, the following:
“The existence of Imam ’Ali’s copy is an unquestionable matter. All scholars admit it and say that it contains additions which are not found in the current Qur’an. These additions are under the title of ‘The Revelation of God for the Explanation of the Intended’ (purpose).”
Khu’i drew his information from what al-Tabari had recorded in his book, “’al-Ihtijaj”’ (“Apology”).
Our scholars and legists infer from an episode recorded by the Tabari in the book of al-Ihtijaj about the existence of a Qur’anic copy compiled by the Imam ’Ali. This episode tells that ’Ali said to Talha (one of Muhammad’s relatives and companions) that every verse God bestowed upon Muhammad is in my possession, dictated to me by the apostle of God and written by the script of my hand, along with exposition of every verse and all the lawful and unlawful (issues)."
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chrisse, reading your posts, it seems you have a very good knowledge about Islam.
, may YHWH shows you His true way.