Where Is Heaven and Hell? Is It In Our Universe?

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Are heaven and hell in our universe? Are heaven and hell separate universes. With our amazing knowledge of science and scripture we should know at least something, or is all of this just a mystery and we do not know, or will ever know until we die. I mostly agree with the final inference, but I am wondering what you guys think.
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In fact the Enlightenment gave the final death blow to the ancient cosmology you speak of.
Heaven was once considered a place (7 levels actually) in the outermost sphere of space and the planets eternal, immutable and angelic.
Now no longer.
We just dont know.
 
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Hell is in the middle of the earth and Heaven is entirely out of this dimension, in a spiritual dimension, I think.
 
Some say Venus is hell. Can’t say that I’ve been there, but it’s possible.

You may wish to consult with Dante and St. Faustina. A few others have seen hell as well.

Not sure about Heaven.
 
They are states until the body is returned to the soul. The glorified bodies obey the will and the will is unbound by any physical law. It is united to the will of God and may take up space or not, be visible or not and change appearance in obedience to the will. It does not exist in this time and this universe.

When the body is returned to a soul in hell it takes up space but is imprisoned by physical laws and subject to the moral law in body and environment. The body makes visible the corruption of the soul in hell. consequently the environment alters and the body distorts according to the characteristics of the sin committed during life.

Since heaven and hell as places don’t exist until after the elemental destruction of this universe, it must be that it can’t be in this universe.
 
Dr.newsman said:
Are heaven and hell in our universe? Are heaven and hell separate universes. With our amazing knowledge of science and scripture we should know at least something, or is all of this just a mystery and we do not know, or will ever know until we die. I mostly agree with the final inference, but I am wondering what you guys think.
Thanks! God Bless!
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Heaven
Theologians, therefore, generally hold that the heaven of the blessed is a special place with definite limits. Naturally, this place is held to exist, not within the earth, but, in accordance with the expressions of Scripture, without and beyond its limits. All further details regarding its locality are quite uncertain. The Church has decided nothing on this subject.
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Hontheim, J. (1910). Heaven. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm

Hell
Hence theologians generally accept the opinion that hell is really within the earth. The Church has decided nothing on this subject; hence we may say hell is a definite place; but where it is, we do not know.
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Hontheim, J. (1910). Hell. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm
 
Then it would not be eternal. The earth is destined to be destroyed a few million years prior to the sun’s demise.
 
The body is pre-conditioned, (toughened if you will) to that violent extreme environment prior to it’s arrival so that it can remain intact through the tortures it will receive.(Fr. Ripperger). The body can be dismembered, but is rebuilt. Also, death is an experience there, but as an end to the torture it is not. The body is rebuilt, becomes self aware, and reborn for eternity and subject to death once again. Sort of like a demolish derby for the pleasure of the spirits. What I don’t understand is why the substance of spirit of souls cannot become a formidable opponent with the same attributes to the spirit of angels. Must be because of a grading system of spirit “material” of sorts similar to grades of hardness of steels. 🤔 Brrrrr. change of subject.
 
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Venus is a beautiful planet named after the Roman goddess of love. I’ve never heard anything as insane as it being Hell. Where did one here this? The Universe is expanding and beautiful. If Heaven and Hell do exist I’m willing to bet they are beyond the scope of space an even time itself.
 
I do not believe Dante located hell on the planet Venus if that is what you meant.

While Venus is the Morning Star, the Light Bearer as it brings the Sun, it is often called “Lucifer” … which translates as light bearer… I have never heard of it being associated with hell.
Where did you glean that?

Lucifer was a well used Christian name consequently. Also applied to Mary, bearer of Light. Also applied to Christ in the Exsultet. Also applied to Gods closest creature in the natural order…who fell from the sky (heaven). But Venus did not fall from the sky.

Only some centuries later was the word Lucifer almost solely associated with Satan.
It sounds like you are suggesting the planet has also become associated with hell in the same weird way.
Interesting…
 
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The universe, to me, is an extension of earth. God made the heavens and the earth. Earth being the material part of creation and heaven being the spiritual part of creation. If heaven is not found in matter, if the universe is matter and matter is the universe, doesn’t it stand to reason that heaven is not part of the universe?

To me then, the universe isn’t all God created it’s just the measurable part.
 
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The universe, to me, is an extension of earth. God made the heavens and the earth. Earth being the material part of creation and heaven being the spiritual part of creation. If heaven is not found in matter, if the universe is matter and matter is the universe, doesn’t it stand to reason that heaven is not part of the universe?

To me then, the universe isn’t all God created it’s just the measurable part.
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In the old cosmology heaven was part of the physical universe by reason of physical location.
That is the problem.
It isnt though.
 
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I was mostly just being cheeky.

I do love Dant’e Inferno, though. Purgatori was good. Never finished Paradiso up to now, got bogged down about half way through. Thomas Aquinas did show up about half way through so that was a highlight. 🧙

(sorry, no Dominican friars in emo’s so went with the mage instead)

I forget where I heard that Venus was speculated as Hell. It’s an interesting planet, though. Average temperature on the surface is 864 degrees fahrenheit. On the bright side, it does indeed have an atmosphere. Its surface is covered with craters, volcanoes, mountains, and big lava plains. 👹 Should be fine to breathe there. Just don’t inhale.

And don’t take any Pb (lead) with you, else it will melt on you. And who wants that?
 
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There is a physical realm and a spiritual realm. It’s difficult to understand or explain the spiritual realm so physical reality terms were and still are used to explain them. God the Father is in heaven. Where is God? Everywhere. And we have a heavenly home In God. We can experience the heavenly home while in our human condition to a point but not totally until we die and are in heaven. One day when there we won’t disperse in the heavenly realms but remain intact as a unique soul undivided and part of the heavenly realms sharing in the joy and experiences of God. So is it a place? No, it’s a state of being which will one day be reality. Hell is the opposite. It is also a spiritual realm with satan in charge and it is a horrid state of being which never end because our immortal souls never dies even as the physical body does.
 
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I don’t think it can be completely ruled out that heaven and hell are distinct places. Well, maybe it can. It’s a bit late here. 🤔

The universe is such a big place. We live in one galaxy which contains something on the order of 100 billion stars. We hardly know our own solar neighbor hood still. And then the universe contains 100 billion galaxies, something on that order, scientists say.

But then…

ah well, maybe I’ll come back and read some of the well thought out answers above in the morning.

@Happymom Welcome to CAF!!! :raising_hand_man:
 
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Heaven and hell are in a different dimension, but they exist in the same place as the Earth in the physical dimension. You can read about it here Heaven, Hell and the AfterLife
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This is not Catholic teaching, nor have you gained it from a site that claims to be teaching what the Church teaches. Rather, this seems to be some sort of Eastern-influenced belief system.

Just thought I’d point that out, so that there’s no confusion… 😉
 
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The body is pre-conditioned, (toughened if you will) to that violent extreme environment prior to it’s arrival so that it can remain intact through the tortures it will receive.(Fr. Ripperger).
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Wait – are you saying that, prior to the eschaton, those condemned to hell will exist there bodily?

No… that’s not Catholic teaching. Prior to the eschaton, our bodies have died whereas our souls are in the place to which they are sent in the Particular Judgment.

There is no “hardening of the body” for the damned prior to the eschaton.
 
If our duel nature has not changed, then what happens to the body, which through concupiscence, probably has a lot to do why the two natures are in that place in the first place?

Fr. Ripperger is an exorcist, and it would seem has been given new revelations pertinent for our age which is close to the final, if not THE last. I trust his information. It is not a pleasant task dealing with subjects that are unwilling and downright hostile of course. His lectures(Sensus Fidelium) on Spiritual Warfare can be viewed on YouTube.

I value your (name removed by moderator)ut,
please continue to enlighten, that’s what it’s all about. Thanks 😊
 
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