Where Is Heaven? Not a Place?

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I haven’t really tried to figure it out. I just believe in it.
 
Just remember those words arent applied to the material creation as I am not using them that way. Physicists apply them to the laws of physics and they don’t mean the same when applied to theological concepts.
 
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Anyone care to explain how Jesus, Mary and maybe Enoch and Elijah, (who aren’t glorified) can “be” there?
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Enoch and Elijah weren’t in the heaven that that Jesus opened. They were in the heaven that could be said to be the mountain top. That’s what the disciples could see in the light of the Transfiguration
 
Benadam said:
Enoch and Elijah weren’t in the heaven that that Jesus opened. They were in the heaven that could be said to be the mountain top. That’s what the disciples could see in the light of the Transfiguration
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How can they be there all these years, not dead and not found?
 
Does time pass at the same rate where they’re being kept? Perhaps to them they’ve only been in Paradise for several days… You need to think outside the box 📦
 
Please try to understand. THEY ARE NOT ON EARTH. Kapish? They are off world and separated from our existence. Think of it like they’re in Narnia. They’re alive but not HERE.
 
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Cruciferi said:
Please try to understand. THEY ARE NOT ON EARTH. Kapish? They are off world and separated from our existence. Think of it like they’re in Narnia. They’re alive but not HERE.
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That goes back to my OP in the other thread…then they MUST be in another DIMENSION or UNIVERSE.
 
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Precisely 😃
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Ok, that makes sense to me, but some posters are arguing on the other thread, often being vague, about if other dimensions and Universes exist whether the Church allows us
to believe in them. Going by the variety of answers I’ve gotten, I still don’t know if believing in other dimensions or Universes goes against the Bible or our Catholic faith.
 
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So long as we’re not falling into reincarnation, contacting spirits, or the existence of other Gods I see nothing wrong with this line of speculation. We can’t prove anything yet; however, I feel that we’re closing in on a greater understanding.
 
Cruciferi said:
So long as we’re not falling into reincarnation, contacting spirits, or the existence of other Gods I see nothing wrong with this line of speculation. We can’t prove anything yet; however, I feel that we’re closing in on a greater understanding.
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Check out the other thread. I just finished responding to a poster who says St. Thomas and St. Aquinas didn’t believe in the multiverse theory. Now what happens? Posters say the Church doesnt delve into science and we have two saints who not only did just that but go against a theory many scientists think is true.

This is my problem. What happens to the Church and my faith if and when science eventually disproves the saints in the ST or the Church in general?
 
Don’t forget, the Church has scientists too. If there are endless universes floating around it only proves God’s omnipotence. It won’t affect our salvation or the Church.

St. Thomas and St. Aquinas are entitled to their opinions; however, I see nothing wrong with there being more to God’s creation than our visible reality. There’s obviously one Heaven and one God. Why limit the creator to just our Universe when he’s quite capable of creating many others?
 
To add to what Crujferi said, when there is no death the perception of time is altered. No death means history is present among the living. The past is present.
 
Chances are they were combatting a heresy and not the subject we’re talking about. They also didn’t know about modern physics or science. I’m not saying to disregard what they wrote; nevertheless, they were not ALL knowing.
 
St. Thomas Aquinas, author of the Summa, is one guy, not two. Or are we discussing a different St. Thomas?
 
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St. Thomas Aquinas, author of the Summa, is one guy, not two. Or are we discussing a different St. Thomas?
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LOL. I went back to skim what that poster wrote. It’s one guy, St. Thomas Aquinas. Sorry. 😦
 
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Chances are they were combatting a heresy and not the subject we’re talking about. They also didn’t know about modern physics or science. I’m not saying to disregard what they wrote; nevertheless, they were not ALL knowing.
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So, then when he’s talking about something like science, are Catholics allowed to not believe him?
 
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