where is the historical church founded by Jesus Christ?

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Roblox84 said:
I don’t disagree with what you are saying since there is always a final authority in life, not just the in the church. But I was also wondering that instead of all the Protestants fighting that their way is the only right way why don’t they just agree that there is a final authority which is the apostolic church? I mean, would it matter. Even if a protestant knows that the Catholic Church is right, the only thing stopping them is that they just don’t like all the aesthetics about the Catholic way of worship. Instead of attacking Catholic doctrine all they would have to do is man up and say is that they prefer their worshiping way’s as a protestant. They will still get into heaven anyways. The way I look at it is they may not have the fullness of truth, but many people don’t like the traditional way of worship and they prefer the newer age worship, so in the end they are still part of the church unofficially as a separated sect which has the same chance for salvation.
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Thats ok to do, but by the same token, why don’t Catholics do the same.
 
Matariel said:
That’s impossible. How can you compare the Church with a Protestant church of any stripe and say they both have the full truth, even when they deny each other’s teachings?

That’s illogical, and against the teaching of our Holy Mother, the Catholic Church.
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The bottom line is we none will know until Jesus comes again.
 
Roblox84 said:
I don’t disagree with what you are saying since there is always a final authority in life, not just the in the church. But I was also wondering that instead of all the Protestants fighting that their way is the only right way why don’t they just agree that there is a final authority which is the apostolic church? I mean, would it matter. Even if a protestant knows that the Catholic Church is right, the only thing stopping them is that they just don’t like all the aesthetics about the Catholic way of worship. Instead of attacking Catholic doctrine all they would have to do is man up and say is that they prefer their worshiping way’s as a protestant. They will still get into heaven anyways. The way I look at it is they may not have the fullness of truth, but many people don’t like the traditional way of worship and they prefer the newer age worship, so in the end they are still part of the church unofficially as a separated sect which has the same chance for salvation.
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**What you are espousing is not Catholic Doctrine. You are denying the Authority of the Church that was given by Jesus in (Matt. 16:15-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John:16:12-15, 20:21-23). **

Why do you call yourself a Catholic of you obviously don’t accept Catholic teaching or authority? Why would you make a statement like, “They will still get into heaven anyways.” How do you know?

It DOES matter whether or not you accept God-given authority.
It DOES matter if somebody “knows” the Catholic Church is right and rejects it anyway.

You either need to educate yourself on the beliefs and doctrines of the Catholic Church - or cease identifying yourself as Catholic.
 
rev_kevin said:
Putting everything aside, may I ask that you pray for my former wife who has liver cancer.
I was informed a little while ago that she went to the hospital in severe pain. She is a God loving woman and a good harted lady. Please pray for her. Her name is Silvia. Thank you.
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You got it man.👍 There are no limits to prayer!
May god bless you and yours…

Matthew
 
CMatt25 said:
No I don’t just “want” to believe we all have the truth. Jesus told us He was the truth so I believe if we have Him, we have the truth. But yes I do have to turn my cheek a lot. 🤷
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Turning your cheek and accepting heresy and heterodoxy as "equal truths" are two separate issues.
 
CMatt25 said:
I don’t believe it’s impossible nor illogical to believe the essential truth is Christ.
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**Jesus isn’t simply an “essential” truth - he IS truth. **
Your moral relativism is illogical.
 
Carlan said:
Dok, Elvis is here to defend the faith, with the exception of a couple of dissenters, as are the rest of us, I think Elvis does very well, along with Rinnie and others.

If after being made aware of the doctrines of the Church , you do not accept them you say so, no reasons why necessary it is your call.Off you go happy in your decision.
you are most welcome to stay and try to be convinced if you like, we love you.
Just try not to continue to argue the points with a person who is here to defend the Truth of what our Apostolic Church teaches, Thank you kindly! Peace and God’s blessings, Carlan,
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It is a good thing to think that. I am happy that I do not agree.
 
Dokimas said:
I may agree with this statement with two qualifiers: a. it’s not the CC (members of the CC are part of the church) and b. not to lord it over but as servants of.
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If it isn’t the Catholic Church - which Church did Jesus give authority to.
Even the most respected Protestant scholars will tell you that it was the Catholic Church. They will tell you that until the 4th century - the Catholic Church WAS the only Christian Church.
Where do you get your proof that it wasn’t the Catholic Church?
Dokimas said:
It was given to the church in general.
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The Church in general? What does that mean?
Dokimas said:
True: I don’t think you or I understand exactly what that means. God knows.
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I know exactly what that means.
When people say, “only God knows” - they excuse themselves from what they are supposed to know from the revealed Word of God.
 
Dokimas said:
If you think he’s getting through I think you are wrong. He is hurting your cause, IMO.
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If by defending Christ’s pilgrim Church is “hurting” anyone - let me be guilty because t****he only thing being hurt here is pride and blind hatred.
 
tweetymom said:
Thats ok to do, but by the same token, why don’t Catholics do the same.
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If you still don’t know, go ahead and take your chances, to those who have been given more , more will be expected. Fancy, even considering waiting till it is all over, to find out if you have been wrong, why wait to accept the whole of it, what do you have to lose for not opening up to it all.:eek::)God bless, 🙂 Carlan
 
CMatt25 said:
Where did I say anyone had “all the truth”? I’ve said we all have the truth if we have Jesus because He told us He is the truth. And I believe He is the One essential truth that unites us. So indeed Protestants have the essential truth equally with the CC. But now if you are talking about all the less essential matters, I don’t recall ever saying anyone necessarily had all of them.
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Matt please forgive my ignorance here but I am not picking up what you are laying down here or something:confused:

Are you saying that the Protestant Church is equal with the CC without having all of the Sacraments?:confused:

And the CC does have all truths.

John 6:12 The Spirit of Truth will guide you to ALL TRUTH.
1 Tim. 315 THE CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH.

Scripture says that the CC has all truth. Unless you can prove to me that the CC is not the CHurch started by Peter and the Apostles I don’t know where you are comming from.

I mean history show how the Protestant CHurch broke off from the CC. Remember? Luther???
 
Carlan said:
If you still don’t know, go ahead and take your chances, to those who have been given more , more will be expected. Fancy, even considering waiting till it is all over, to find out if you have been wrong, why wait to accept the whole of it, what do you have to lose for not opening up to it all.:eek::)God bless, 🙂 Carlan
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I am not taking any chances. I know that I am saved by Jesus’ saving grace. Glory be!
 
elvisman said:
If by defending Christ’s pilgrim Church is "hurting" anyone - let me be guilty because the only thing being hurt here is pride and blind hatred.
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It seems no matter how much scripture that is given to show where the catholic church is coming from, it will never be accepted. They are happy with the limited truth they have.
Authority seems to be the biggest problem for them which keeps them from seeing the whole truth. I’ve been up against this mind set for many years and no matter what scriptures i show them it never sinks in. I’ve learned through the years the only thing you can do is pray that the holy spirit will open their hearts to the truth. 👍

Matthew
 
rinnie said:
Matt please forgive my ignorance here but I am not picking up what you are laying down here or something:confused:

Are you saying that the Protestant Church is equal with the CC without having all of the Sacraments?:confused:

And the CC does have all truths.

John 6:12 The Spirit of Truth will guide you to ALL TRUTH.
1 Tim. 315 THE CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH.

Scripture says that the CC has all truth. Unless you can prove to me that the CC is not the CHurch started by Peter and the Apostles I don’t know where you are comming from.

I mean history show how the Protestant CHurch broke off from the CC. Remember? Luther???
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I am not Matt, but I agree with him 100% All scripture is for all believers not just the CC.
 
Matthew_P_Muehl said:
It seems no matter how much scripture that is given to show where the catholic church is coming from, it will never be accepted. They are happy with the limited truth they have.
Authority seems to be the biggest problem for them which keeps them from seeing the whole truth. I’ve been up against this mind set for many years and no matter what scriptures i show them it never sinks in. I’ve learned through the years the only thing you can do is pray that the holy spirit will open their hearts to the truth. 👍

Matthew
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The Problem, you all think that scripture means the CC and it doesn’t. It is for ALL believers in Christ, and I r one of them.
 
rinnie said:
If you confess your sin to the Priest, Bishops, or the Pope for that matter they have the right to forgive you with he power that God gave them. Thats the only way.
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We can’t get down on our knees and confess to God? And why then did James tell us to confess to one another?
 
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