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lil_flower_luv
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Funny that a few Catholics on here don’t feel inclined to defend Church Doctrine!!! Maybe some “ramming” needs to be done. 
Be Brave. Be Bold. Be Catholic.
Stand by the Church Jesus Himself founded.
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Be Brave. Be Bold. Be Catholic.
Stand by the Church Jesus Himself founded.
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Loboto-Me
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I would wager that MOST catholics think that Protestants may be saved. Just like catholics think that catholics MAY be saved as well. Remember, we’re still working out our salvationNor do all Catholics say Protestants aren’t.
It’s just so much more difficult for them because they don’t have the fullness of Truth or the Graces of Sacrements to help them out… so catholics are on the narrow path that offers nice cool long drinks of water on the way
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Loboto-Me
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Everytime Church Doctrine comes into play they just blow it off and don’t listen to the message (It’s an authority thingFunny that a few Catholics on here don’t feel inclined to defend Church Doctrine!!! Maybe some “ramming” needs to be done.
Be Brave. Be Bold. Be Catholic.
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rinnie
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C Matt, God forgive me:banghead: I can’t figure out if you are Catholic, Protestant, or just learning the faith? Because I for one am like a dog chasing his tail with what you write sometimes,:doh2: Oh once save always saved! Brain freeze. I’ve been fasting all day thus far even though not required.
One minute the CHurch is the pilar of truth, then you agree it isn’t? Ah, maybe its just me. I don’t know
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lil_flower_luv
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You’re telling me! If they need a good message, they can look at my signature: *In things essential, *UNITY!!!Everytime Church Doctrine comes into play they just blow it off and don’t listen to the message (It’s an authority thing
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shondrea
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Exactly! We ALL know Jesus and our love of him is the road to salvation! We just have different views on HOW this love needs to be shown!Nor do all Catholics say Protestants aren’t.
My favorite words to live by are, a servant can say to his Master, I love you and obey you, but if the servant never does what he’s told and never shows signs of love and obedience, then no matter what his heart holds, his Master may not be convinced.
That isn’t to say that the servant DOESN’T love his Master, because he may, greatly, with all he has! But wouldn’t it bring hi the greatest joy to SHOW his Master this love? To make his Masters house beautiful, to behave as his Master directs and be woefully sorry when he fails his Master?
Someone who believes in faith alone way still well be saved, because their love of God will compel them to do good things and show this love. For me, a pessimist who often sufffers from doubt and depression, it wasn’t until I began following church traditions, doctrine and principals that i finally FELT Jesus. I didn’t feel complete in my faith when I thought, all I need to do is believe in God. My works don’t save me, but they bring me closer to God, so I can be more faithful, and hope to be saved! :extrahappy:
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Roblox84
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That’s good to fast, because fasting is not just for Catholics, is a Christian thing. Anyone can fast just like Jesus did. It is just to give you a deeper personal relationship with Christ.:doh2: Oh once save always saved! Brain freeze. I’ve been fasting all day thus far even though not required.
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Matthew_P_Muehl
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That my friend is exactly what it is… authority!Everytime Church Doctrine comes into play they just blow it off and don’t listen to the message (It’s an authority thing
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elvisman
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**It’s not enough. James 2:19 tells us that even the demons believe and shudder.That’s what I’ve been saying. But then I am told believing in Jesus is not enough.
In context - when the Scriptures speak of “believing” - it means total surrender to what Jesus taught, not just an intellectual ascent of acknowledgement.
That means EVERYTHING he taught, including the Eucharist, Church Authority, Confession, Baptismal Regeneration, etc.
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Roblox84
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I don’t get it though. If authority is a problem with them, which I am 100 percent convinced it is, then why do they listen to everything their pastor says. For example when their pastor say’s that drinking alcohol is bad when in the bible Jesus gave wine to drink. I’m confused.That my friend is exactly what it is… authority!
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Roblox84
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I guess it depends on how you look at it though. I think just believing in Jesus gives you eternal life because even the demons believe and these demons do have everlasting life. So I guess it just matters what kind of everlasting life you want. Do you want to follow the doctrine of God, or the doctrine of demons? So either way, the protestants are correct because only letting Christ into you heart and believing will give you eternal life of some sort, don’t you think?
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CMatt25
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Rinnie, I became Catholic at age 31 days and no not just learning.C Matt, God forgive me:banghead: I can’t figure out if you are Catholic, Protestant, or just learning the faith? Because I for one am like a dog chasing his tail with what you write sometimes,
One minute the CHurch is the pilar of truth, then you agree it isn’t? Ah, maybe its just me. I don’t know
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elvisman
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You are still espousing things about the Church that are simply untrue.
Actually – the Church sees them as self-separated sects from the Body of Christ.
They are divorced factions from the Church.
The Church rightly teaches that there is no salvation outside the Church. Those who are invincible ignorant of the truth have a chance of salvation, even though they are not Catholic.
Your statement was that Protestants have the same chance, which is only true if they are invincibly ignorant.
Whereas we are saved BY Christ’s finished work on the cross – we are saved THROUGH the Church, his Body. And, as I pointed out with the several verses I provided – his Body (the Church) is the Supreme Authority on earth. You claimed in one of your posts that the church had no authority.
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elvisman
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Huh?How do you know? I’m not sure you even know who the Church calls Catholic.
Please expand on this statement.
Those who have been baptized into Christ’s only Church are Catholic.
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CMatt25
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I can only speak for me but I don’t listen to everything a pastor says. I just don’t like the taste of alcohol.
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elvisman
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**In that case EVERYBODY has everlasting life. Come in heaven and some in hell. There is no argument there, but that’s a cop out. We must endure to the end to be saved and to follow the Authority he left - to whom he gave HIS authority in heaven and earth.
Simply believing in Christ is not enough and the Scriptures are painfully clear on this. Your problem is that you refuse to see the CONTEXT of what Scripture is saying. There are verses that say all you need do is believe or call on the name of Jesus to be saved – and there are others, that when read in CONTEXT fill in the blanks.
Like I said before – you need to read these in CONTEXT with the other verses that say much more to understand the message of the Gospel.
Romans 11:22****
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Hebrews 10:26-27****
“If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
2 Peter 2:20-22****
**For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of (our) Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first. **
**For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them. **
Matt. 7:21
Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord**" shall enter the kingdom of heaven.**
**Matthew 10:22 - **All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
**Luke 12:46 - ****The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. **
**1 Timothy 4:1 - ****The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. **
**2 Peter 3:17 - **Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
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CMatt25
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Your previous words, not mine, to another fellow Catholic of ours:
“educate yourself on the beliefs and doctrines of the Catholic Church - or cease identifying yourself as Catholic.”
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Roblox84
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I guess I always just saw them as invincibly ignorant. To me, if a person blows of another teaching due to years of indoctrination in their own teachings I would think that person would be invincibly ignorant. It’s kind of off the subject, but it’s just like telling some American folk about how their health care sucks. Yet I would say more then 50% of Americans would differ on this. I see these people as ignorant because no kinds of evidence, financial paperwork, word of mouth, will stand in their way of changing their attitude. So in the end they will still be cared for, it will just cost more or they will just have to give up more in return.
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