where is the historical church founded by Jesus Christ?

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Dokimas said:
Kev, can’t you get it through your head that if it’s not what Elvis says then it’s wrong. You seem quite bright so why are you having such a hard time with this concept? :eek:
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I guess i’m kinda like you a glutten for punishment. Lol
Oh I have gotten it through my thick hard head that if its not what he says its, as he would put it WRONG.
 
tweetymom said:
Or do like I do ignore him, works best for me. He is a very rude person, so I don’t care a a bit what he says. And if you ignore he is just talking to himself.
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Its like looking at a wreck, you don’t want to look but its hard to ignore.
 
rev_kevin said:
Its like looking at a wreck, you don’t want to look but its hard to ignore.
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gottcha I read what he says and once in awhile I do respond. But when I do respond I feel like I am so angry and I say the wrong things.
 
tweetymom said:
gottcha I read what he says and once in awhile I do respond. But when I do respond I feel like I am so angry and I say the wrong things.
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And I believe, but can’t be positive about it, that he wants you to get angry and say the wrong thing so he can pounce on you as a ignorante person who knows nothing about anything. But enough with him we don’t want to anger the master of intellengance. I hope I spelled it right.
 
rev_kevin said:
And I believe, but can’t be positive about it, that he wants you to get angry and say the wrong thing so he can pounce on you as a ignorante person who knows nothing about anything. But enough with him we don’t want to anger the master of intellengance. I hope I spelled it right.
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You are so right, I do have to pray when I do answer, Thank you rev and if i was in your town I would visit your church
 
AmercanJosiah,
I feel your outrage as I once felt until I read history and the early church fathers and then realized that Luther changed the Bible to suit his view of salvation. I reverted to the Catholic church when I read what the early church Fathers said.
 
AmericanJosiah said:
Tomster,

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints interprets a verse one way: itself insisting that itself exclusively is the sole authoritative interpreter and infallible/unaccountable for it, thus it is incapable of being wrong in its interpretation.

The Catholic Church interprets the exact same verse in a contradictory fashon to the above: itself insisting that itself exclusively is the sole authoritative interpreter and infallible/unaccountable for it, thus it is incapable of being wrong in its interpretation.

How do we resolve this? NEITHER is accountable for what it alone teaches, both are INCAPABLE of error - thus BOTH are correct. There is no resolution since neither accepts accountability and neither submits to any arbitration other than by itself alone, moot since each insists that itself exclusively is incapable of being wrong. Other than each just re-stating that each alone is what it alone insists that it alone is, other than each insisting that whatever it alone says just be accepted as true “with docility” and that’s that - how do we resolve the conflict?

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if those are my only two choices, IM CATHOLIC!
 
Tomster said:
Having a missal is one thing and reading the Scriptures along with the Rev is something else altogether.

Answer this for me if you can. When the Rev gives you his/her interpretation of Scripture how do you know if he/she is giving you the proper interpretation? Is he/she infallible? Protestant preachers will never tell you that they are. Ask a Baptist preacher what their belief of infant baptism is, for example, and then ask a Lutheran preacher the same question. I am sure that you will get two different responses on the matter.
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ask a few Catholics about indulgences and see what you get or whether mass should be in latin or whether protestants can be saved outside of the RCC. How many abuses of vatican 2 are there?
 
Dokimas said:
Kev, can’t you get it through your head that if it’s not what Elvis says then it’s wrong. You seem quite bright so why are you having such a hard time with this concept?
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rev_kevin:
And I believe, but can’t be positive about it, that he wants you to get angry and say the wrong thing so he can pounce on you as a ignorante person who knows nothing about anything. But enough with him we don’t want to anger the master of intellengance. I hope I spelled it right.
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tweetymom said:
Or do like I do ignore him, works best for me. He is a very rude person, so I don’t care a a bit what he says. And if you ignore he is just talking to himself.
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**Hmmm . . . if only you three could furnish some evidence from the Early Church to bolster your claims as I – and others have – you might not feel so frustrated or feel the need to spewad hominems and other sophomoric banter.
It feelsreallygood to know the truth.👍

Evidence, people – evidence.
Save the empty chatter for your personal emails . . . :rolleyes:
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elvisman said:
**Hmmm . . . if only you three could furnish some evidence from the Early Church to bolster your claims as I – and others have – you might not feel so frustrated or feel the need to spewad hominems and other sophomoric banter.
**It feelsreallygood to know the truth.👍

Evidence, people – evidence.
Save the empty chatter for your personal emails . . . :rolleyes:​

You mean the quotes from the NT isn’t ‘early church’ enough for you?​

BTW, it’s your attitude that needs work, not your ability to read CC doctrine and writings and tell us your findings.
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Dokimas said:

You mean the quotes from the NT isn’t ‘early church’ enough for you?​

BTW, it’s your attitude that needs work, not your ability to read CC doctrine and writings and tell us your findings.
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👍
 
wisdomseeker said:
It does matter what religion you belong.

would say that muslins have the Truth? how about budhism? hinduism?

if you know that our Lord found one Church, than this one Church is the one with the Truth.

Truth is not relative. Truth is One and not many. if so many preaching Christianity differs in teachings, then where is the True teachings? if you believe what our Lord said, than you must assume that Truth is tought today by His Church despite of what i believe.
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I assumed we were discussing the Christian Church. But I was not including the Buddhists or the Hindus. I agree with you, though, that truth is truth. I suppose the question is, where does truth come from? I know that if you are of the Catholic faith, you believe that comes from several places; and I am ok with that, I would never fault you for it or even say that you are wrong. But I don’t have to agree with it, do I? I am free to get the truth where I think it can be found. But so many preaching Christianity cannot all be right, as you have stated. I agree. In fact, I would say that none preaching Christianity is perfectly right. That is my point.
 
AmericanJosiah said:
Tomster,

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints interprets a verse one way: itself insisting that itself exclusively is the sole authoritative interpreter and infallible/unaccountable for it, thus it is incapable of being wrong in its interpretation.

The Catholic Church interprets the exact same verse in a contradictory fashon to the above: itself insisting that itself exclusively is the sole authoritative interpreter and infallible/unaccountable for it, thus it is incapable of being wrong in its interpretation.

How do we resolve this? NEITHER is accountable for what it alone teaches, both are INCAPABLE of error - thus BOTH are correct. There is no resolution since neither accepts accountability and neither submits to any arbitration other than by itself alone, moot since each insists that itself exclusively is incapable of being wrong. Other than each just re-stating that each alone is what it alone insists that it alone is, other than each insisting that whatever it alone says just be accepted as true “with docility” and that’s that - how do we resolve the conflict?

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Easy we go by the words of God. Scripture cannot contradict scripture. The LDS are noted for it.

J.S teaches the LDS. The Holy Spirit teaches the RCC. Pretty easy there.😃
 
MuddyRocker said:
I assumed we were discussing the Christian Church. But I was not including the Buddhists or the Hindus. I agree with you, though, that truth is truth. I suppose the question is, where does truth come from? I know that if you are of the Catholic faith, you believe that comes from several places; and I am ok with that, I would never fault you for it or even say that you are wrong. But I don’t have to agree with it, do I? I am free to get the truth where I think it can be found. But so many preaching Christianity cannot all be right, as you have stated. I agree. In fact, I would say that none preaching Christianity is perfectly right. That is my point.
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then I would have to show you where the word of God disagrees with you.

The Church is Pepetual

Isaiah 9:
6 of Christs goverment there will be no end
Daniel 2:44 Gods Kingdom will not be destroyed
Matt. Jesus is like the wise man who build his church on rock
Matt 16:18 the gates of hell will never prevail against Christs Church
John 14:16 The Holy Spirit will be with you always
Matt 28:19-20 I am with you all days.

So I would have to say the Good Lord shot you down there. He said he is the CC and will be here until the end of time. THe HS is the advocate teaching the CHurch until Jesus comes again in glory.

So as we see, what you think, and what Jesus says are two Very different things.
 
elvisman said:
**Hmmm . . . if only you three could furnish some evidence from the Early Church to bolster your claims as I – and others have – you might not feel so frustrated or feel the need to spewad hominems and other sophomoric banter.
**It feelsreallygood to know the truth.👍

Evidence, people – evidence.
Save the empty chatter for your personal emails . . . :rolleyes:
If we don’t agree with the early church why would we use it to bolster our claims?
You use the early church because you believe it but like I said not everyone sees things your way or the Catholic way. You want us to accept your view but you won’t accept ours. Like I said if Peter was fallible and he is the rock then what makes you believe that the CC teachings are infallible and not fallible?
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