Where is the truth is All this?

[Sabda]

I’m kinda tired of this baloney copout phrase “a few bad apples” Its took more than a few bad apples to rake up almost a billion dollars in pay outs due to cover ups!

The giving I now do is not in a basket where it can be misappropriated by greedy priests or in a bind archdioceses…I will now only give where it can be ACCOUNTED for - and thats to places like Saint Jude Childrens Hospital and such.

The money that goes in those baskets also helps keep the electricity on and the water flowing in your parish’s bathrooms. If everyone stopped putting money in the basket than eventually there would be no money to pay for the electricity and other utility bills and your parish WOULD have to close it’s doors!

My diocese was not a part of that scandal. In fact most diocese in the Church had nothing to do with that scandal. That scandal only pertained to few diocese in the whole Church. I’m quite sure that yes, there are victims of those abuses but I’m also quite sure that there are people that took advantage of the system who were not abused. We almost had such a case here in Tulsa.
At the height of the scandal a priest was accused of sexual abuse by a teenage boy. As an investigation was done it turned out that the boy had a drug addiction and he and his dad got together and came up with the plan to sue our diocese so they could get more money for the boy’s drug addiction.

The same logic that you use to paint every diocese with a black brush could also be used on those who were victims. Like I said I prefer to look at the individual and not lump everyone in together.

 

[Sabda]

This not true at all. The Church can easily co-opt these funds, take half for purposes we may not want hem to take for. All one has to do is donate DIRECTLY to these causes and leave the so called “middle man” (the church) out of the need or temptation to misuse our cash or checks made out to the name of the church and not the names of the places they claim to help. YEP, I am jaded

Actually by donating to someone else, like St Jude Hospital, your not really doing away with the middle man. The only way you would be able to do away with the middle man is by donating directly to the individual person. St Jude can take your donation and do whatever they want with it. Up to and including using it for administrative cost or even some more darker deed.

 

[CathCentrist]

It took me less than 30 minutes to take what I used to give directly to to RCC, identify a half dozen local service organiations and divide it equally among them. I feel much better about where my money goes.

The sooner the RCC is flat broke, the better!

It doesnt take long to write out a few checks to specific organizations.

Nohome

 

[CathCentrist]

Actually by donating to someone else, like St Jude Hospital, your not really doing away with the middle man. The only way you would be able to do away with the middle man is by donating directly to the individual person. St Jude can take your donation and do whatever they want with it. Up to and including using it for administrative cost or even some more darker deed.

I trust my money with Marlo Thomas and St Jude then I do with my local archdiocese any day of the week

 

[Nohome]

My diocese was not a part of that scandal.

Lewis worked at St. Mary’s Catholic Church and Holy Family Cathedral in Tulsa and other churches around the state before he resigned from his clerical duties in 2002 when credible allegations surfaced that he had improper physical contact with boys.

tulsaworld.com/lifestyle/article.aspx?articleID=070721_1_A1_hKenL35316

 

[davy39]

It took me less than 30 minutes to take what I used to give directly to to RCC, identify a half dozen local service organiations and divide it equally among them. I feel much better about where my money goes.

The sooner the RCC is flat broke, the better!

Nohome

I take it then, when all the churches are broke and close their doors, you will join some protestant church?

 

[maciejk60]

I see this post has taken a turn in a direction I was not intending. Yes, I too give my donations to places I trust will use it as intended. But what I was referring to in my original post was when will the leaders ever learn and stop covering up!!! See article below:

NEWS | SAN DIEGO
Audit finds ‘questionable’ activities in San Diego parish books
By ALLISON HOFFMAN, The Associated Press
Tuesday, July 31, 2007
A handful of parishes in the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego deliberately concealed or inappropriately handled about $500,000 in funds in sometimes “purposeful attempts” to circumvent federal bankruptcy proceedings, according to an auditor’s report.

Matt

 

[Nohome]

I take it then, when all the churches are broke and close their doors, you will join some protestant church?

Maybe, maybe not. There are some protestant churches I find appealing, but I can’t say that for the lot. I prefer small christian communities over any large, institutional church.

Nohome

 

[davy39]

Maybe, maybe not. There are some protestant churches I find appealing, but I can’t say that for the lot. I prefer small christian communities over any large, institutional church.

Nohome

I see by your profile, you are a former Catholic. This explains a lot. Did the Church do something to make you quit the Church, or is the priest abuse to blame? I, too am exbarresed and upset by the goings on in the church recently, but I will hang in there. I know that all the churches, protestant or Catholic, are made up of human beings, which are imperfect by nature, myself included. But I see no reason to trash the whole Church, for the deeds of a few.

 

[CathCentrist]

I too will hang in there - but my money will go elsewhere

 

[Jane_K]

Some people do, though I’m sure some wills have been edited. The RCC has received its last dime from me.

Nohome

I grieve along with you for the scandals created by all of this. But would you then, in the times of the Borgia popes, have joined with Martin Luther or the other Protestant reformers? While I might personally–at times–like to string up by their fingernails all those involved in whatever fashion, I prefer to pray for them–and us!–as a more effective remedy. I think a lot of how one feels about and handles donations depends on the particular diocese. Certainly, LA looks especially bad and will, I suspect, get worse before it gets better. Just remember that clergy abuse and bungling of handling it are not at all unique to the Catholic Church or even to religious groups in general. Most importantly, I think, remember the promise that our Lord Jesus made to Peter. “You are Peter and on this rock I will build My Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” Trust and pray!!! Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia. (Where Peter is, there is the Church.) Bless you.

 

[Sabda]

I grieve along with you for the scandals created by all of this. But would you then, in the times of the Borgia popes, have joined with Martin Luther or the other Protestant reformers? While I might personally–at times–like to string up by their fingernails all those involved in whatever fashion, I prefer to pray for them–and us!–as a more effective remedy. I think a lot of how one feels about and handles donations depends on the particular diocese. Certainly, LA looks especially bad and will, I suspect, get worse before it gets better. Just remember that clergy abuse and bungling of handling it are not at all unique to the Catholic Church or even to religious groups in general. Most importantly, I think, remember the promise that our Lord Jesus made to Peter. “You are Peter and on this rock I will build My Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” Trust and pray!!! Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia. (Where Peter is, there is the Church.) Bless you.

The more I think about this scandal the more it appears to be a lot like the priesthood before and during the Reformation. The Black Plague killed a great deal of people. Many of them priest. With such a shorted of priest it’s understandable that the rules for entry into the monasteries would have been relaxed. With this relaxation would, naturally, come a lack of holiness. This is just what has happened during our time with the sexual revolution and Vatican II.
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Of course one priest who has done a really bad thing does not mean that the whole diocese or the whole Church needs to be shut down. Buts that exactly what we see people calling for here. You have 1.1 billion Catholics. Only a few are priest and even less of them sexually abused these kids. Yet the whole entire Church, right down to those very same kids, gets condemnded for it.

 

[CathCentrist]

Again with the "one priest’ FALLACY. It took more than, 1, 2, 50, and more than that to equal the amount of payouts and coverups. My guess is the numbers are less than half but more than 1/4 all added up including those who covered up for the others.