"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

[St_Francis]

I have a question for you: Obama was in Indonesia, you say from age 6 to 10:

1. Was he adopted and was his name changed to Soetoro?
2. If not, how did he attend school in Indonesia, as you *must be *a citizen of Indonesia to attend.

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People often did not concern themselves with these issues back then as it was just family stuff. They might not (eta) have even known about the various requirements. This is esp true in a natiin like Indonesia.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Barack Obama may well be “just another sneaky, deceitful, lying politician”, but I don’t believe he is lying about where he was born! Pick a real lie and start a thread about that.

However, you fail to address the fact that there is NO good Republican candidate to vote for among the current candidates. You don’t want to vote for Barack Obama, fine. I don’t want to vote for Donald Trump. Isn’t that was equally valid? I think having NOBODY to vote for is the real issue.

“Personal Property Rights” sounds like a Libertarian argument, but true Libertarians don’t use the coercive power of government to fight culture wars - which is where the “Abortion” issue falls. So, I’m confused about the logic of your arguments, which appear to be all over the map and are getting me no closer to having a candidate to vote for in 2012.

Of course there are good GOP candidates, although GOP hard-liners will say that they lack “electability”. First is Ron Paul. He has great crossover appeal, would easily pick up the Tea Party vote, and garner support among many of the independents. He REALLY gets on the nerves of the hardcore, Neocon warhawks though, you know, the big government Republicans. They can’t stand him. CAll him an isolationist and a disaster for foreign policy.

Then there is Gary Johnson.

 

[St_Francis]

I have never heard that he was adopted. But why the name Sotero. Where did it come from?

Itas quite common in those days for the child(ren) od a divorced and remarried mother to use the name of the stepfather. Remeber that back then divorce was not socially acceptable, and having evrryone kn the family using the same last name kept children from being in an awkward situation.

This is not evidence that he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather. There is no evidence that he was adopted by him.

 

[Joseph_L_Varga]

texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/was-barack-obama-adopted-by-soetoro-how-does-this-affect-citizenship/

Quote from Michelle Obama:

“African Press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” she reportedly said. “It is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a stepfather. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by his stepfather. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that my husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though** he was adopted by a foreigner**.”

 

[qui_est_ce]

texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/was-barack-obama-adopted-by-soetoro-how-does-this-affect-citizenship/

Quote from Michelle Obama:

“African Press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” she reportedly said. “It is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a stepfather. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by his stepfather. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that my husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though** he was adopted by a foreigner**.”

That does not sound like anything Michelle Obama would say. She doesn’t talk like that.

 

[TMC]

texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/was-barack-obama-adopted-by-soetoro-how-does-this-affect-citizenship/

Quote from Michelle Obama:

“African Press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” she reportedly said. “It is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a stepfather. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by his stepfather. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that my husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though** he was adopted by a foreigner**.”

A later post on that same blog says that this quote turned out to be fake. But even if Soerto had adopted Obama, it would not effect his citizenship.

 

[St_Francis]

A later post on that same blog says that this quote turned out to be fake. But even if Soerto had adopted Obama, it would not effect his citizenship.

It is my understanding that by indonesian law, an adopted child’s other citizenship woild have to be renounced.

 

[irishpatrick]

Okay, so all the “Obama was not born here people:”

What is it you expect from this? What result would you like and how would that come about?

All this talking about where the President was born must mean you want something. Define that something precisely and what actions you would take.

 

[bellasbane]

Okay, so all the “Obama was not born here people:”

What is it you expect from this? What result would you like and how would that come about?

All this talking about where the President was born must mean you want something. Define that something precisely and what actions you would take.

 

[oldcelt]

It is my understanding that by indonesian law, an adopted child’s other citizenship woild have to be renounced.

Since we are not under Indonesian Law, I fail to see the significance of this. Aside from that, the president would not have been the age of majority at the time. I doubt any court in the US would hold that the actions of a step-parent would strip one of their citizenship.

John

 

[bbarrick8383]

Okay, so all the “Obama was not born here people:”

What is it you expect from this? What result would you like and how would that come about?

All this talking about where the President was born must mean you want something. Define that something precisely and what actions you would take.

I don’t really consider myself a “birther” or whatever. Im too pessimistic that anything would ever be done about it anyway.

But, I find it quite surprising that there is not some sort of congressional hearing once any person is nominated that does not go over these things before they are sworn in. For republicans or democrats.

 

[oldcelt]

Okay, so all the “Obama was not born here people:”

What is it you expect from this? What result would you like and how would that come about?

All this talking about where the President was born must mean you want something. Define that something precisely and what actions you would take.

Agreed…remove him and Joe Biden is President…Do they really want that?

John

 

[kimmielittle]

I have seen quite a bit about the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and I find it convincing. I will summarize that evidence here:

1. The Certificate of Live Birth
2. The newspaper announcements
3. The fact that his mother and father indisuptably lived in Hawaii
   a. Property records show they lived there
   b. His parents both attended UH there
4. Several people that knew the Obamas from UH have come forward to say they remember when Barack was born, including the current Governor of Hawaii.

I’m sure there is more, but those are the main points in my mind. But maybe I am biased or missing something. Can someone that believes he was not born in the US, or believes he might not have been born in the US, please summarize the main points supporting that position?

1. The “certification of live birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama’s birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.
2. Newspaper announcement can be generated by the grandparents. Obama’s grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama’s birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere. The address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.

3, The address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents. Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama’s mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby’s birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

1. Mr Abercrombie Has since changed his statement: He met Mr Obama at age 6- 7 at a T-Ball game.

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president’s chances of re-election in 2012. wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=252833

Besides Obama’s actual birth documentation, the still-concealed documentation for him includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records, Mother’s passport.

Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a “natural born citizen,” no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama’s claim to a Hawaiian birth.

Even Military Tribunals prosecuting Military Personal who question if they are legally obligated… have backed away because of “discloser”
wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=143213

 

[agnes_therese]

Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a “natural born citizen,” no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama’s claim to a Hawaiian birth.

So now the entire Congress was in on the “conspiracy”? This just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

 

[kimmielittle]

So now the entire Congress was in on the “conspiracy”? This just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

I don’t know if a “conspiracy” BUT it is a fact that Mr McCain was investigated by Congress - Mr Obama not.

 

[TMC]

1. The “certification of live birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama’s birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.
2. Newspaper announcement can be generated by the grandparents. Obama’s grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama’s birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere. The address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.

3, The address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents. Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama’s mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby’s birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

1. Mr Abercrombie Has since changed his statement: He met Mr Obama at age 6- 7 at a T-Ball game.

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president’s chances of re-election in 2012. wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=252833

Besides Obama’s actual birth documentation, the still-concealed documentation for him includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records, Mother’s passport.

Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a “natural born citizen,” no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama’s claim to a Hawaiian birth.

As neither you nor anyone has provided any evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii, I take it that there is none. As to the points you made about my points:

1. The certificate Obama has presented is the same certificate that the state of Hawaii uses to establish birth in Hawaii for all purposes. It is sufficient to get a passport, prove birth for security clearances and any other purpose.
2. The newspapers that printed his announcement have repeated said they do not take announcement from family, only from the hospitals. Even if they did, how would his grandparents have known 40-odd years ago that he would someday run for president?
3. There are property records showing that his father lived in Hawaii. Dunham did visit Washington after Obama’s birth and took some classes there, but how does that indicate he wasn’t born in Hawaii?
4. I don’t know if Abercrombie has changed his story or not, but there are other friends of the family that remember his being born in Hawaii, and no one remembers his mother flying to Africa to have the baby and then sneaking him back into the country.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

As neither you nor anyone has provided any evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii, I take it that there is none. As to the points you made about my points:

1. The certificate Obama has presented is the same certificate that the state of Hawaii uses to establish birth in Hawaii for all purposes. It is sufficient to get a passport, prove birth for security clearances and any other purpose.
2. The newspapers that printed his announcement have repeated said they do not take announcement from family, only from the hospitals. Even if they did, how would his grandparents have known 40-odd years ago that he would someday run for president?
3. There are property records showing that his father lived in Hawaii. Dunham did visit Washington after Obama’s birth and took some classes there, but how does that indicate he wasn’t born in Hawaii?
4. I don’t know if Abercrombie has changed his story or not, but there are other friends of the family that remember his being born in Hawaii, and no one remembers his mother flying to Africa to have the baby and then sneaking him back into the country.

Then why won’t he show the long form, and why has he spent $2 million to avoid showing it? Just sayin…

 

[markomalley]

True. If people spent half as much energy fighting abortion as spend on this nonsense, we might make some progress.

FYI, Agnes, I’ve stood vigil in front of abortuaries. I’ve done marches. I’ve lobbied legislators.

For pro-life work.

I’ve not even ever sent a stinkin e-mail about the BC.

And I do believe that Obama was born in this country.

But I still say, if he’s got nothing to hide, he should just release the original BC and be done with it. Shut these people up.

Makes you wonder who’s really behind this “birther” silliness.

Actually, it makes me wonder what’s on the BC that causes him not to release it. I didn’t used to wonder. But the more time goes by and the more money he spends on legal fees to keep it private, the more I wonder…

 

[kimmielittle]

As neither you nor anyone has provided any evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii, I take it that there is none.

Just as no one has proved Mr Obama WAS born there.

It’s simple, provide the long form.

1. The certificate Obama has presented is the same certificate that the state of Hawaii uses to establish birth in Hawaii for all purposes. It is sufficient to get a passport, prove birth for security clearances and any other purpose.

But does not take the PLACE of the Long Form,

1. The newspapers that printed his announcement have repeated said they do not take announcement from family, only from the hospitals. Even if they did, how would his grandparents have known 40-odd years ago that he would someday run for president?

You miss the obvious - Could the Grandparents just wanted American Citizen Status? Especially, if foreign born.

1. There are property records showing that his father lived in Hawaii. Dunham did visit Washington after Obama’s birth and took some classes there, but how does that indicate he wasn’t born in Hawaii?

But his father was a British subject. No matter where he lived.

1. I don’t know if Abercrombie has changed his story or not, but there are other friends of the family that remember his being born in Hawaii, and no one remembers his mother flying to Africa to have the baby and then sneaking him back into the country.

Ahhhh…Obama and his supporters had first claimed he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, before the story changed to Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu.

After WND’s report on the two conflicting hospitals, online news sites including the United Press International and Snopes.com scrubbed their websites to eliminate any reference to Queens Medical Center, substituting instead that Obama was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center without explaining the discrepancy or the correction.

obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/hawaii-hollywood-reporter-mike-evans.html

When Evans spoke to Abercrombie on January 19, Abercrombie reportedly told him that he searched the relevant Hawaii hospitals using his powers as governor, and concluded, according to Evans, “There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, absolutely no proof at all that Obama was born in Hawaii.” After Abercrombie made such a fuss about finding the birth certificate, Evans concluded of his friend that he has “got some egg in the face.”

Curiously too, when Evans asked Abercrombie when he first encountered the young Barack Obama, Abercrombie reportedly said, “I remember him playing in a T-Ball league,” when he was roughly five or six years old.

Is it true : That a birth could be registered BY MAIL in Hawaii in 1961?

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Is the United States the only country to have as its president, a “man of mystery”?