"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

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qui_est_ce said:
That does not sound like anything Michelle Obama would say. She doesn’t talk like that.
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TMC said:
A later post on that same blog says that this quote turned out to be fake. But even if Soerto had adopted Obama, it would not effect his citizenship.
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Thanks for questioning the authenticity of the “Michelle Obama phone call to API” - indeed it turned out to be a hoax. API said they had it taped - then never released the alleged tape. It was a fake story with nothing to back it up.

Back to Lolo Soetoro adopting Barry Soetoro a.k.a. Barack Obama - some bloggers say that could have 2 consequences:
  1. he would become an Indonesian citizen
  2. his original birth certificate with the name of the birth father, IF there was such birth certificate on record with Hawaii, would become sealed and unavailable. It would be replaced with a new birth certificate featuring the name of the adoptive father in place of the birth father.
 
Michael_C said:
I’ve heard alot of good questions regarding the Presidents birth certificate and they go unanswered. As far as I know Bill O’Reilly goes on TV and says it’s a non-issue and that’s all the public requires to let it go.

Why not just present the birth certificate?
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The birth certificate is all background noise. He may well not be a native born citizen but the fact of the matter is he was elected President. It is what it is. We got what we got, birth certificate or not. People need to spend their substantial “thinking time” coming up with effective rebuttals of his horrid and destructive social and fiscal policies and make sure he does not get re=elected.

Forget the birth certificate. Does anybody honestly think the President can’t get some Federal judge to certify him as Abe Lincoln’s second cousin on his mother’s side? Of course he can. Get real and get him retired.
 
While it’s not possible to rule out that there are racists out there, such as white people who oppose Obama because of his mixed race, as well as black people who voted on him specifically because of his black ancestry, there are other reasons which are motivating people who believe in transparency and respect for the Constitution. We should be very careful not to lump together everybody and call them all racists. That would be extremely unfair towards many voters - towards white voters who press the issue because they believe in their duty to uphold the Constitution, and also towards black voters who support Barack Obama because they agree with his policies, and not simply because he is 50% black.

My personal opinion is that those who regard the constitutional requirement for natural born citizenship as obsolete, should work to amend the Constitution, but have no right to simply trample the Constitution, even if they disagree with it.
 
JRRTFAN said:
…but the fact of the matter is he was elected President. It is what it is.

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Forget the birth certificate.
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On the other hand, I’ve read opinions according to which this issue might be here to stay practically forever. If something that’s hidden and suppressed today, would come out at a later time, that would open the courts to a flood of lawsuits by people who got injured by the executive decisions of President Obama. If, let’s say a few years from now, more evidence comes out, and the political climate changes, judges or even the Supreme Court might take up this issue which they refuse to take up today. Then, auto dealers who saw their dealerships closed as a result of regulations passed by President Obama’s government, will be able to sue for financial losses, saying that the “President” was a usurper, and his executive decisions were also a usurpation of power.

Also, there’s LTC Terry Lakin, who refused to obey orders by President Obama, citing his doubts that he is truly entitled to be President and Supreme Commander of the armed forces. Last time I checked, he was jailed for insubordination, but if it turned out that President Obama was a usurper, then obviously the courts would have to deal again with his case and the cases of other people in similar situations - people who suffered injury of some kind.

See here:

obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/03/terry-lakin-action-fund-radio-interview.html

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There would probably be thousands and thousands of lawsuits if it turned out that Barack Obama was a usurper, and many people would have a financial incentive to sue. Also, international treaties signed by President Obama would lose their validity, if it turned out that he was a usurper. It would be a mess and it would take a long time to clean it up.
 
kimmielittle said:
Is it true : That a birth could be registered BY MAIL in Hawaii in 1961?
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Even if it is true, are you suggesting that that it could have been mailed from Kenya to Hawaii and have arrived and been processed in 4 days? Because he was born on the 4th of August and the date of registration is the 8th.

I don’t know how it works anywhere else but here and in the province where my grandson was born, records of live births are filed with Vital Statistics by the hospital as “live male born to Mary Brown on July 2, 2010” and include the name of the person who attended the birth; nothing else is recorded until the parents file a “return of birth” that includes the child’s given names and surnames; the father’s name(s) and surname, the mother’s names and married & maiden surnames.
 
George Stephanopoulos And Michele Bachmann ‘Settle’ The Obama Birth Certificate Issue
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youtube.com/watch?v=Nb7cm00a7cA
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Sorry if this was already posted and I missed it.

Geoerge Stephanopoulos presented Michele Bachman with a coy of Obana’s Birth Certificate, which she agrees is valid.

Also, I learned the state of Hawaii, unlike other states, only has the one form, not a short form and long form birth certificate. However, I can’t verify if this is true or not.

Jim
 
Joseph_L_Varga said:
While it’s not possible to rule out that there are racists out there, such as white people who oppose Obama because of his mixed race, as well as black people who voted on him specifically because of his black ancestry, there are other reasons which are motivating people who believe in transparency and respect for the Constitution. We should be very careful not to lump together everybody and call them all racists. That would be extremely unfair towards many voters - towards white voters who press the issue because they believe in their duty to uphold the Constitution, and also towards black voters who support Barack Obama because they agree with his policies, and not simply because he is 50% black.

My personal opinion is that those who regard the constitutional requirement for natural born citizenship as obsolete, should work to amend the Constitution, but have no right to simply trample the Constitution, even if they disagree with it.
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Plus, blaming white racists flies out the window when we acknowledge the fact that some of Obama’s biggest critics are black.

Herman Cain:
youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkacOveF0

Alan Keyes:
loyaltoliberty.com/
 
kimmielittle said:
We have no record of Mr Abercombie’s record except that he got caught making hmmmm…mistaken statements before about seeing Mr Obama as a baby.
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How many children did you meet 40+ years ago, and you still remember exactly when you met them?
 
Joseph_L_Varga said:
Herman Cain and Alan Keyes - two great Americans.

But there’s a problem with both of them: they are both racists!!!

:rotfl:
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First I seen that. I seen some very good speechs by Cain.

Didn’t Good Morning America provide Obamas Birth Certificate in response to D.T.? Ws this mentioned ? Sorry.

Now there a multitude of You Tube videos out by Walid Shoebat claiming Obama is aligned with Islam since the PLO years back. So much out here now that sounds logical its hard to sift through the truth.
 
GaryTaylor said:
First I seen that. I seen some very good speechs by Cain.

Didn’t Good Morning America provide Obamas Birth Certificate in response to D.T.? Ws this mentioned ? Sorry.

Now there a multitude of You Tube videos out by Walid Shoebat claiming Obama is aligned with Islam since the PLO years back. So much out here now that sounds logical its hard to sift through the truth.
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Obama’s eligibility is a valid issue for sure. It’s partly about his birth certificate, but more than that. He was a double citizen of Kenya and the USA for at least 21 years. He may have become an Indonesian citizen as well. Congress should have adressed whether current and former double and triple citizens meet the eligibility criteria for “natural born citizen”. With the birth certificate, there are a number of photoshopped and manipulated computer images of a “COLB” floating around the internet. They are not what’s needed - he needs to produce a real hard copy of long-form birth certificate (not a COLB), with the name and signature of the doctor, the stamp of the hospital where he was born. Those “birth certificates” posted on the internet are not the long form needed, they are just what’s called a “COLB” (certification of live birth). In addition, some four versions of this “COLB” are floating around, indicating that at least three of them are photoshopped and manipulated electronic images.
 
GaryTaylor said:
So much out here now that sounds logical its hard to sift through the truth.
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to get off topic slightly

It’s called jamming and it’s a common political tool on the internet. A news fact can be fogged by flooding the internet with easily discredited articles and websites about the subject in an attempt to frustrate or confuse interested parties. The tactic only needs to be seeded, and there are enough mentally unstable and gullible people who will contribute to the pot by posting their own articles and interpretations. Eventually, it snowballs and the truth gets hidden in the search engine. The articles that do the most harm are the ones that contain most of the truth but contain a smidgen of false information. For example, an article may be one hundred percent right, but the guy who wrote the article has 15 other articles on his web page claiming Obama is from Jupiter.

The whole point is to frustrate or turn people off from searching for actual facts.
 
Joseph_L_Varga said:
Obama’s eligibility is a valid issue for sure. It’s partly about his birth certificate, but more than that. He was a double citizen of Kenya and the USA for at least 21 years. He may have become an Indonesian citizen as well. Congress should have adressed whether current and former double and triple citizens meet the eligibility criteria for “natural born citizen”. With the birth certificate, there are a number of photoshopped and manipulated computer images of a “COLB” floating around the internet. They are not what’s needed - he needs to produce a real hard copy of long-form birth certificate (not a COLB), with the name and signature of the doctor, the stamp of the hospital where he was born. Those “birth certificates” posted on the internet are not the long form needed, they are just what’s called a “COLB” (certification of live birth). In addition, some four versions of this “COLB” are floating around, indicating that at least three of them are photoshopped and manipulated electronic images.
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Joseph, thank you for getting the the heart of the issue. I think that the birthers are semi-misguided in their efforts, not to prove where the President was born, but rather where his loyalties lie. A very relevant case can be made that Obama’s loyalties do NOT lie with America as a country and its people, but rather with an ideology centered on globalized power and control. and the desire to subjegate America to that central power. Now, I think he does this because he sincerely believes that America is just another country along with several hundred other countries and they should all act and behave the same way. We are no better than anyone else and have no reason to be treated with any favor over anyone else. This flies in the face with the personal opinion that most “birthers” have in that America is an exceptional place because of what we are, because of our government system of restricted government that allows for maximum personal liberty and the right to pursue ones dreams and goals.
 
agnes_therese said:
How many children did you meet 40+ years ago, and you still remember exactly when you met them?
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Me ---- is NOT the issue.

Actually, none 🙂

But I didn’t voluntarily mislead anyone either 😃

I’ll have to live a lot longer to know 40 years.
 
Joseph_L_Varga said:
Obama’s eligibility is a valid issue for sure. It’s partly about his birth certificate, but more than that. He was a double citizen of Kenya and the USA for at least 21 years. He may have become an Indonesian citizen as well. Congress should have adressed whether current and former double and triple citizens meet the eligibility criteria for “natural born citizen”. With the birth certificate, there are a number of photoshopped and manipulated computer images of a “COLB” floating around the internet. They are not what’s needed - he needs to produce a real hard copy of long-form birth certificate (not a COLB), with the name and signature of the doctor, the stamp of the hospital where he was born. Those “birth certificates” posted on the internet are not the long form needed, they are just what’s called a “COLB” (certification of live birth). In addition, some four versions of this “COLB” are floating around, indicating that at least three of them are photoshopped and manipulated electronic images.
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He presented the only birth certificate form the state of Hawaii provides. Also, his birth certificate was certified by the state of Hawaii, back during the campaign.

Jim
 
Official responseThe director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino, issued a statement confirming that the state held Obama’s “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures”.[3][31] Noting “there have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate”, Fukino explained that the department was prohibited by state law from releasing it to “persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.” She stated: “No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.”[3][32][33]
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According to CNN’s researchers, the original birth certificate no longer exists, as Hawaii discarded all paper birth records in 2001, and the certification of live birth is the official copy.[34] Contradicting CNN, Janice Okubo, public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, said “We don’t destroy vital records.”[35] The Health Department’s director emphasized the assertion:
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I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Official_response
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JimR-OCDS:
I won’t reference Wikipedia. It is an basically an anonymous source.
 
kimmielittle said:
I won’t reference Wikipedia. It is an basically an anonymous source.
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Except you have to provide the source for your information when you post it. I know, I corrected an error in wikipedia about Pope John Paul II.

Here, watch the video to the end and see the birth certificate that Stephanopoulos shows to Michele Bachmann. She accepted it as real.

youtube.com/watch?v=Nb7cm00a7cA

Jim
 
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