"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

[SamH]

Granting the courts access to the long-form birth certificate would help dispel the doubts, and it’s not forbidden by law. But President Obama would rather spend millions (2.8 M so far, according to one source) to block access to his documents, than show those documents and come clean about his eligibility.

He’s eligible, I just don’t think his father is who Obama said he was in two books.

 

[Sonic]

This is my personal observation on these discussions.

1. One group of people are concerned about the transparency of the current administration and the constitutional ramifications of keeping this controversy going by not showing a copy of the long form birth certificate. They are not concerned about where Obama was born. See my previous post to show that I believe I’m in group one: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7787592&postcount=135
2. One group is squarely centered on the debate about the citizenship of the president and the origin of his birth. These folks are divided into two groups: “he was born in Hawaii” and “He was not born in Hawaii”.
3. One group consists of dismissing the entire discussion because they think the entire debate is centered around what group two is discussing. The result is they are not hearing group one’s concerns, and forces the topic to drag on instead of letting it play out to a logical conclusion.

Unfortunately, it seems to be group three that is keeping the debate going more than anyone else. Every time group one presents an argument, they get accused of being in group two. The more group three closes their ears, the louder group one has to talk in order to be heard over group two.

 

[TMC]

Nobody said the president did not acknowledge Easter. What the article said was he did not issue an Easter proclamation as is normal. I don’t think this proves he is a closet Muslim, I just think it is further evidence that he is inept.

I believe Obama is a Christian although his faith is far from the center of his life.

I was not responding to the article, but to the comments I quoted, which I think are fairly an accusation that the president failed to acknowledge Easter.

I agree that it was inept of him (or at least of his staff) to fail to issue the perfunctory four or five sentence “message” about Easter as he did about Passover. But it is also ridiculous to suggest that says anything about his personal beliefs or about his policies as president - particularly in light of his other Easter activities. You have not done that, but I think that is the gist of what some others are saying.

 

[Hiskid1973]

That’s a purty good assessment Sonic…

 

[kimmielittle]

And then, when Phil Berg sues, or when the jailed Lt. Col. Terry Lakin’s defense asks for discovery, that is for access to Mr. Obama’s long form birth certificate, the President’s lawyers go to any length to block discovery.

Here is another interesting subject.

Some people seem to think that “Appeals to Dismiss” or “Denied” " Dismissed" are somehow vindication .

Actually, they are not.

Rule 36

(3) Time to Respond; Effect of Not Responding.

A matter is admitted unless, within 30 days after being served, the party to whom the request is directed serves on the requesting party a written answer or objection addressed to the matter and signed by the party or its attorney. A shorter or longer time for responding may be stipulated to under Rule 29 or be ordered by the court.

(4) Answer.

If a matter is not admitted, the answer must specifically deny it or state in detail why the answering party cannot truthfully admit or deny it. A denial must fairly respond to the substance of the matter; and when good faith requires that a party qualify an answer or deny only a part of a matter, the answer must specify the part admitted and qualify or deny the rest. The answering party may assert lack of knowledge or information as a reason for failing to admit or deny only if the party states that it has made reasonable inquiry and that the information it knows or can readily obtain is insufficient to enable it to admit or deny.

law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule36.htm

Meaning 30 days after served an unanswered claim - it becomes an admission of claim. Or Solid.

Dismissal doesn’t address the Claims made.

Mr Obama’s Crew doesn’t want the average person to know this.

 

[estesbob]

I was not responding to the article, but to the comments I quoted, which I think are fairly an accusation that the president failed to acknowledge Easter.

I agree that it was inept of him (or at least of his staff) to fail to issue the perfunctory four or five sentence “message” about Easter as he did about Passover. But it is also ridiculous to suggest that says anything about his personal beliefs or about his policies as president - particularly in light of his other Easter activities. You have not done that, but I think that is the gist of what some others are saying.

Just for the record there is no doubt in my mind that Obama is a Christian . And for those who say he is not all I can say is, so what?

 

[Hiskid1973]

Just for the record there is no doubt in my mind that Obama is a Christian . And for those who say he is not all I can say is, so what?

Only the Lord knows, best we can do is observe the fruit and pray for Him…

 

[Califman831]

I think he would gain some credibility and diffuse a lot of speculation if he would disclose what
all is being sealed/hidden…

The problem with that is that Obama has access to a number of spook agencies that can generate any forge document he wishes. Lets forget the birth certificate and lets get rid of him in the next election. Let us not be like the democrats that cry about coverups every time their candidate loses.

 

[kimmielittle]

This is my personal observation on these discussions.

1. One group of people are concerned about the transparency of the current administration and the constitutional ramifications of keeping this controversy going by not showing a copy of the long form birth certificate. They are not concerned about where Obama was born. See my previous post to show that I believe I’m in group one: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7787592&postcount=135
2. One group is squarely centered on the debate about the citizenship of the president and the origin of his birth. These folks are divided into two groups: “he was born in Hawaii” and “He was not born in Hawaii”.
3. One group consists of dismissing the entire discussion because they think the entire debate is centered around what group two is discussing. The result is they are not hearing group one’s concerns, and forces the topic to drag on instead of letting it play out to a logical conclusion.

Unfortunately, it seems to be group three that is keeping the debate going more than anyone else. Every time group one presents an argument, they get accused of being in group two. The more group three closes their ears, the louder group one has to talk in order to be heard over group two.

 

[kimmielittle]

Which part is a conspiracy theory.

1 Mr Obama has sealed ALL his history from the American Public.

2 Mr Obama refuses to address these issues.

These are FACTS - - not theories

 

[markomalley]

According to an interview clip posted on Real Clear Politics, Trump says that he’s been told that the birth certificate is missing.

First of all, to reiterate my position on the matter: I personally think he was born in Hawaii. However, I think he has a deliberate purpose in not releasing his BC. Either: a) it is strictly a political move to tar opponents or b) there is something on that BC he doesn’t want made public. More likely choice (a).

My opinion of Trump: he is a showman, not a politician. He knows he is unelectable. But he is doing this to increase his personal notoriety. To a person like “The Donald,” any publicity, good, bad, or manufactured is good publicity.

Based upon the above opinion, I think he’s using this as an exit strategy. He’s sapped as much publicity as he can from this and needs to exit this scene quickly. This provides a convenient excuse.

However, solely for the purpose of perpetuating discussion and argument on this thread, let me pose the following:

If, in fact, his statement is factual:

“Well I’ve been told very recently, Anderson, that the birth certificate is missing,” Trump told CNN’s Anderson Cooper Monday. “I’ve been told that it’s not there or it doesn’t exist. And if that’s the case it’s a big problem.”
what are the implications?

 

[kimmielittle]

According to an interview clip posted on Real Clear Politics, Trump says that he’s been told that the birth certificate is missing.

First of all, to reiterate my position on the matter: I personally think he was born in Hawaii. However, I think he has a deliberate purpose in not releasing his BC. Either: a) it is strictly a political move to tar opponents or b) there is something on that BC he doesn’t want made public. More likely choice (a).

My opinion of Trump: he is a showman, not a politician. He knows he is unelectable. But he is doing this to increase his personal notoriety. To a person like “The Donald,” any publicity, good, bad, or manufactured is good publicity.

Based upon the above opinion, I think he’s using this as an exit strategy. He’s sapped as much publicity as he can from this and needs to exit this scene quickly. This provides a convenient excuse.

However, solely for the purpose of perpetuating discussion and argument on this thread, let me pose the following:

If, in fact, his statement is factual:

“Well I’ve been told very recently, Anderson, that the birth certificate is missing,” Trump told CNN’s Anderson Cooper Monday. “I’ve been told that it’s not there or it doesn’t exist. And if that’s the case it’s a big problem.”
what are the implications?

The implications are staggering for this country …Democrat - Republican - Libertarian etc

It will effect us all - On all fronts - including internationally.

ALL appointments become subject to scrutiny.
ALL Legislations become subject to scrutiny.

BUT it doesn’t matter…if he is born here.

He’s very mistaken IMO to keep laughing this off and not simply addressing it.

This is by Mr. Obama’s own design - No one else contributed to this.

People have legitimate reasons to ask for transparency.

And those people are starting to come from all aisles of the political arena.

Many see this as a dividing of the Country / public - AND that should not be laughed at.

First: He will in 2012 have to DEFEND his presidency. He no longer enjoys the Offensive edge.

My advice to Mr.Obama would be to try to reunite the country - not further divisions.

The Sooner the better. IMO

Personally, It reminds me of the story of the two women claiming the child in front of King Solomon.

Do what’s right for the baby

 

[markomalley]

The implications are staggering for this country …Democrat - Republican - Libertarian etc

It will effect us all - On all fronts - including internationally.

ALL appointments become subject to scrutiny.
ALL Legislations become subject to scrutiny.

BUT it doesn’t matter…if he is born here.

He’s very mistaken IMO to keep laughing this off and not simply addressing it.

This is by Mr. Obama’s own design - No one else contributed to this.

People have legitimate reasons to ask for transparency.

And those people are starting to come from all aisles of the political arena.

Many see this as a dividing of the Country / public - AND that should not be laughed at.

First: He will in 2012 have to DEFEND his presidency. He no longer enjoys the Offensive edge.

My advice to Mr.Obama would be to try to reunite the country - not further divisions.

The Sooner the better. IMO

Do you really think it would make a difference?

I’m not so sure it would.

First of all, even if it were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mr. Obama was born in another country, there is a significant percentage of the populace who simply would not care. That includes 200+ members of Congress.

Secondly, I am not convinced that the courts would even attempt to do anything again, even if it were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was not born here.

Third, I am certain that foreign governments would just laugh at this American xenophobic idiosyncrasy (even those representing countries with more restrictive rules).

Do you think it would get any kind of media attraction? I don’t…except to defend him.

Frankly, I’m not convinced it would make a darned bit of difference. Even if it were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was born overseas. Much less if the only thing was that the BC was missing…

 

[kimmielittle]

Do you really think it would make a difference?

I’m not so sure it would.

First of all, even if it were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mr. Obama was born in another country, there is a significant percentage of the populace who simply would not care. That includes 200+ members of Congress.

Secondly, I am not convinced that the courts would even attempt to do anything again, even if it were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was not born here.

Third, I am certain that foreign governments would just laugh at this American xenophobic idiosyncrasy (even those representing countries with more restrictive rules).

Do you think it would get any kind of media attraction? I don’t…except to defend him.

Frankly, I’m not convinced it would make a darned bit of difference. Even if it were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was born overseas. Much less if the only thing was that the BC was missing…

I dono

I Do feel that anyone who feels they were wronged…would seek redress.

Personally, It reminds me of the story of the two women claiming the child in front of King Solomon.

Do what’s right for the baby

 

[JHow]

So… how many of you are going to read the book when it comes out?

 

[kimmielittle]

So… how many of you are going to read the book when it comes out?

I would like to

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

So… how many of you are going to read the book when it comes out?

I pre ordered it.

 

[markomalley]

So… how many of you are going to read the book when it comes out?

I won’t waste my money.

 

[markomalley]

Donald Trump: Outrageous Political Interviews Equal Ratings Success (Forbes)
The ratings for Donald Trump’s “Celebrity Apprentice” experienced quite a bounce this week thanks to the real estate mogul’s political media circus.

Indeed, ratings increased by 12 percent over the previous week and the show had a total viewership of 8 million, according to reports.

While it’s still not clear if Trump will officially announce a run for President, it is clear he knows how to garner a tremendous amount of buzz- in the press and in social media – by serving up completely outrageous sound bites.

In case anybody wonders what motivates The Donald…

 

[estesbob]

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