"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

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Califman831 said:
The problem with that is that Obama has access to a number of spook agencies that can generate any forge document he wishes. Lets forget the birth certificate and lets get rid of him in the next election. Let us not be like the democrats that cry about coverups every time their candidate loses.
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Assuming those agencies would or are cooperating with his administration. We have no proof that they would or that they have anything to gain by doing so. Also, if they were to have done so, then they probably would have done so already and that would have been the end of it.
 
estesbob said:
wrno.com/pages/Morning_Show.html?article=8479610#ixzz1KXnkUGHE
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Creepy stuff.

As a Catholic who sits in pews with people of every color and ethnicity-I don’t get it.

I mean, we always worship together. I have all my life.

What I mean is-I don’t understand black churches and white churches.
And, I live in the south.
This happened when we lived in N.Carolina too-but not the Catholic Church, we had 1.

Shoot-in N.C., there was a black Masonic Temple and a white Masonic Temple.

What’sthatallabout?

I understand it, but don’t get it. What’s wrong with people? And, I know bias always existed, but still.

Pray for those in the path of the storms tonight.

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
 
estesbob said:
Nobody said the president did not acknowledge Easter. What the article said was he did not issue an Easter proclamation as is normal. I don’t think this proves he is a closet Muslim, I just think it is further evidence that he is inept.

I believe Obama is a Christian although his faith is far from the center of his life.
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I am more inclined to believe that he is an agnostic at best, and quite possibly a closet atheist.
 
Sonic said:
This is my personal observation on these discussions.
  1. One group of people are concerned about the transparency of the current administration and the constitutional ramifications of keeping this controversy going by not showing a copy of the long form birth certificate. They are not concerned about where Obama was born. See my previous post to show that I believe I’m in group one: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7787592&postcount=135
  2. One group is squarely centered on the debate about the citizenship of the president and the origin of his birth. These folks are divided into two groups: “he was born in Hawaii” and “He was not born in Hawaii”.
  3. One group consists of dismissing the entire discussion because they think the entire debate is centered around what group two is discussing. The result is they are not hearing group one’s concerns, and forces the topic to drag on instead of letting it play out to a logical conclusion.
Unfortunately, it seems to be group three that is keeping the debate going more than anyone else. Every time group one presents an argument, they get accused of being in group two. The more group three closes their ears, the louder group one has to talk in order to be heard over group two.
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Count me in as being in group one. I believe he really was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen. I think there is something on the original bc that he doesn’t want exposed. It could be among the following:

  1. *]He is listed as Caucasian
    *]Barack Obama Sr is not listed as the father
    *]It is sealed because he was adopted by Lolo Sotero and was issued a new bc

    I, too, wish group three would quit addressing group one as group two.
 
estesbob said:
Just for the record there is no doubt in my mind that Obama is a Christian . And for those who say he is not all I can say is, so what?
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Put me in that category as well. He was baptized, so were his children.
 
qui_est_ce said:
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Count me in as being in group one. I believe he really was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen. I think there is something on the original bc that he doesn’t want exposed. It could be among the following:

  1. *]He is listed as Caucasian
    *]Barack Obama Sr is not listed as the father
    *]It is sealed because he was adopted by Lolo Sotero and was issued a new bc

    I, too, wish group three would quit addressing group one as group two.
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  1. His Mother is listed as Kenyan? Even if by mistake ] His Mom had to sign… and by signing - acknowledges statements within ] The Long Form and if She didn’t see it?
 
qui_est_ce said:
Put me in that category as well. He was baptized, so were his children.
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you know as well as I do that being baptized only opens the door. Being Christian, by biblical definition, means “a follower of Christ”. That should be apparent in his words and in his deeds. In those two areas, evidence of his faith are sorely lacking.

I quote Christ, “You are the salt of the earth, the light of the world. What use is salt if it looses its taste? …who hides a light under a basket? He who has the light will put it on a stand so that everyone in the house may see.”
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
you know as well as I do that being baptized only opens the door. Being Christian, by biblical definition, means “a follower of Christ”. That should be apparent in his words and in his deeds. In those two areas, evidence of his faith are sorely lacking.
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You are correct. He says he is Christian, it’s not my job to correct him. I will point out that many Christian denominations hold his views on abortion, contraception, ssx “marriage,” and social welfare. He attended United Church of Christ, which has an extremely ambiguous doctrine.

From UCC website
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In essentials unity, in non-essentials diversity, in all things charity. The unity that we seek requires neither an uncritical acceptance of any point of view, nor rigid formulation of doctrine. It does require mutual understanding and agreement as to which aspects of the Christian faith and life are essential.

The unity of the church is not of its own making. It is a gift of God. But expressions of that unity are as diverse as there are individuals. The common thread that runs through all is love.

Testimonies of faith rather than tests of faith. Because faith can be expressed in many different ways, the United Church of Christ has no formula that is a test of faith. Down through the centuries, however, Christians have shared their faith with one another through creeds, confessions, catechisms and other statements of faith. Historic statements such as the Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, the Heidelberg Catechism, the Evangelical Catechism, the Augsburg Confession, the Cambridge Platform and the Kansas City Statement of Faith are valued in our church as authentic testimonies of faith. [See Beliefs for the complete texts of some of these testimonies.] In 1959, the General Synod of the United Church of Christ adopted a Statement of Faith prepared especially for congregations of the United Church. Many of us use this statement as a common affirmation of faith in worship and as a basis for study.

Responsible Freedom. As individual members of the Body of Christ, we are free to believe and act in accordance with our perception of God’s will for our lives. But we are called to live in a loving, covenantal relationship with one another—gathering in communities of faith, congregations of believers, local churches.*
 
If he claimed to be Catholic, I would be obliged to point out his positions conflict with Catholic teaching.
 
kimmielittle said:
I’m sorry, I thought you meant that a place for her nationality wouldn’t be on the forms :o
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I know your posts are well-researched, status, Group One. 😃

I just wondered why she would be listed as Kenyan. That’s too speculative for me. 😊
 
qui_est_ce said:
I know your posts are well-researched, status, Group One. 😃

I just wondered why she would be listed as Kenyan. That’s too speculative for me. 😊
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His Father would be listed as Kenyan. already on the form ]

We don’t know what his Mom was listed as -

If by mistake the typists carried the Kenyan from the Father to the Mom…And Mom signed it ?

“I certify that the above information is true and correct to the best of my knowledge”
 
qui_est_ce said:
I know your posts are well-researched, status, Group One. 😃

I just wondered why she would be listed as Kenyan. That’s too speculative for me. 😊
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I sense Kimmielittle is speculating also…Not having/knowing the truth opens the door to speculation…He invites it by keeping it hidden…Just like information in the last days, what was hidden will be broadcast from the rooftops…
 
Hiskid1973 said:
I sense Kimmielittle is speculating also…
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EXACTLLY!!! 🙂
Not having/knowing the truth opens the door to speculation…He invites it by keeping it hidden…Just like information in the last days, what was hidden will be broadcast from the rooftops…
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And my speculation has some merit of plausibility .

PS You can call me kimmie, if you wish 🙂
 
kimmielittle said:
His Father would be listed as Kenyan. already on the form ]

We don’t know what his Mom was listed as -

If by mistake the typists carried the Kenyan from the Father to the Mom…And Mom signed it ?

“I certify that the above information is true and correct to the best of my knowledge”
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What difference would that make? Why would a mistake by his mother 50 years ago mean anything now?
 
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