"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

[SwizzleStick]

I made the specific point that no other president has ever been asked to produce his birth certificate. …

No other president in modern times has held dual citizenship and been born to an American and a British national (at the time of Obama Jr’s birth). Some people say that because of that fact he is a citizen but not a natural born citizen because at birth he owed allegiance to America, Britian, Kenya. Some say it doesn’t matter. I don’t know. What I do know is that the man’s background is a lot different than the average American’s, which generates questions about him. That is pretty natural, I think.

“…The Founders wanted the President to be a Natural Born Citizen to ensure that the ONE person sitting at the top of the Executive branch had UNQUESTIONABLE, UNWAVERING loyalty to the United States, first and foremost.”…

Above in blue excerpted from: “natural Born” Citizen - theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

 

[estesbob]

Nothing he could provide? Ever heard of a DNA test?

A simple request for a long form birth certificate…thanks for my first laugh of the day. Maybe you can answer one question: which other president was repeatedly labelled ‘arrogant’ for refusing to accede to every “simple request” made of him?

It evidently was no big deal as he promptly released it when it became a political liablity. Politics is a rough profession. Like with everything his lack of experience is showing in the way he handeld this , as is the exceptionally thin skin of his supporters. Perhaps we should see if he could handle a demand that he prove his daughter was his as well as Sarah Palin did.

BTW-I have never felt Obama was arrogant-he is too inept to be arrogant.

 

[bbarrick8383]

I’m going to have a field day if retired LTC West runs for president and the left attempt to criticize his personal background.

 

[LemonAndLime]

Sometimes I’m kinda glad I live in a socialist commune ruled by a repressive Monarchy.

 

[seekerz]

I’m going to have a field day if retired LTC West runs for president and the left attempt to criticize his personal background.

Is questioning someone’s birthplace in the face of generally accepted evidence now called “criticizing…personal background”. I do so love euphemisms.

 

[gilliam]

I made the specific point that no other president has ever been asked to produce his birth certificate…

Not exactly, same sort of controversy surrounded President Chester . Arthur.
see:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur#Early_life_and_education

Presidential candidates whose eligibility was questioned

While every President and Vice President to date (as of 2010[update]) is widely believed either to have been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or to have been born in the United States, one U.S. President (Chester A. Arthur) and some presidential candidates either were not born or were suspected of not having been born in a U.S. state.[36] In addition, one U.S. Vice President (Albert Gore) was born in Washington, D.C. This does not necessarily mean that they were ineligible, only that there was some controversy (usually minor) about their eligibility, which may have been resolved in favor of eligibility.[37]

• Chester A. Arthur (1829–1886), 21st president of the United States, was rumored to have been born in Canada.[38][39] This was never demonstrated by his Democratic opponents, although Arthur Hinman, an attorney who had investigated Arthur’s family history, raised the objection during his vice-presidential campaign and after the end of his Presidency. Arthur was born in Vermont to a U.S. citizen mother and a father from Ireland, who was eventually naturalized as a U.S. citizen. Despite the fact that his parents took up residence in the United States somewhere between 1822 and 1824,[40] Chester Arthur additionally began to claim between 1870 and 1880[41] that he had been born in 1830, rather than in 1829, which only caused minor confusion and was even used in several publications.[42] Arthur was sworn in as president when President Garfield died after being shot.
• Christopher Schürmann
• Charles Evans Hughes
• Barry Goldwater
• George Romney
• Lowell Weicker
• John McCain

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause

 

[seekerz]

No other president in modern times has held dual citizenship and been born to an American and a British national (at the time of Obama Jr’s birth). Some people say that because of that fact he is a citizen but not a natural born citizen because at birth he owed allegiance to America, Britian, Kenya. Some say it doesn’t matter. I don’t know. What I do know is that the man’s background is a lot different than the average American’s, which generates questions about him. That is pretty natural, I think.

“…The Founders wanted the President to be a Natural Born Citizen to ensure that the ONE person sitting at the top of the Executive branch had UNQUESTIONABLE, UNWAVERING loyalty to the United States, first and foremost.”…

Above in blue excerpted from: “natural Born” Citizen - theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

And since when did “some say” dictate what the president needs to prove to anybody?

 

[seekerz]

How many of those subjects of ‘minor controversies’ became president and felt forced to produce their long form birth certificate to prove their right to lead? Again, I am being very specific. Any claim can be made about a candidate, just not everyone is expected to prove the already proven simply because, to use the words of another poster, “some say” they’re ineligible.

Not exactly, same sort of controversy surrounded President Chester . Arthur.
see:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur#Early_life_and_education

Presidential candidates whose eligibility was questioned

While every President and Vice President to date (as of 2010[update]) is widely believed either to have been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or to have been born in the United States, one U.S. President (Chester A. Arthur) and some presidential candidates either were not born or were suspected of not having been born in a U.S. state.[36] In addition, one U.S. Vice President (Albert Gore) was born in Washington, D.C. This does not necessarily mean that they were ineligible, only that there was some controversy (usually minor) about their eligibility, which may have been resolved in favor of eligibility.[37]

• Chester A. Arthur (1829–1886), 21st president of the United States, was rumored to have been born in Canada.[38][39] This was never demonstrated by his Democratic opponents, although Arthur Hinman, an attorney who had investigated Arthur’s family history, raised the objection during his vice-presidential campaign and after the end of his Presidency. Arthur was born in Vermont to a U.S. citizen mother and a father from Ireland, who was eventually naturalized as a U.S. citizen. Despite the fact that his parents took up residence in the United States somewhere between 1822 and 1824,[40] Chester Arthur additionally began to claim between 1870 and 1880[41] that he had been born in 1830, rather than in 1829, which only caused minor confusion and was even used in several publications.[42] Arthur was sworn in as president when President Garfield died after being shot.
• Christopher Schürmann
• Charles Evans Hughes
• Barry Goldwater
• George Romney
• Lowell Weicker
• John McCain

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause

 

[agnes_therese]

And since when did “some say” dictate what the president needs to prove to anybody?

Excellent question. I’m also trying to find an example of any other President, or candidate for President, being told that the birth certificate normally issued by their state of birth is not good enough.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Is questioning someone’s birthplace in the face of generally accepted evidence now called “criticizing…personal background”. I do so love euphemisms.

Pure speculation to call it anything else. Whose going to ever want to vote for another black man for president if they are too scared to criticize them?

There was more racism in white people voting for him than there is in this BC situation.

 

[estesbob]

Sometimes I’m kinda glad I live in a socialist commune ruled by a repressive Monarchy.

I am am surprised you are positng? Why arent you glued to the TV watching Royal wedding coverage? My wife is British(born and raised in Aberdare ,Wales) and is on the TV day and night. My attitude is get the weddng over already!!!

 

[Big_Ro]

And precisely what kind of background should an “average American” have?

 

[estesbob]

Excellent question. I’m also trying to find an example of any other President, or candidate for President, being told that the birth certificate normally issued by their state of birth is not good enough.

I’m still trying to find a another president who was asked to prove that his VP did not fly in a supersecret supersonic spy plane to Iran to convince the leadership to keep hostages imprisoned until after his inauguration. This of course happened in 1980 and there was even a congressional investigation into this nonsense. The point being that Obama is not being treated any differently than any other president and his supporters are either terribly naïve in believing that such political machinations are unusual, or, to quote Shakespeare, “methinks you protest too much”" Perhaps if Obama had not assumed the presidency less than five years after leaving the Illinois state Senate he would’ve been a little better prepared to play politics in the big leagues.

 

[SwizzleStick]

And since when did “some say” dictate what the president needs to prove to anybody?

Since when? Looks like yesterday, since Obama showed his birth certificate then. Looks like the “some” includes Trump.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Seriously, I don’t know. I would hope that the “some” who are officials and supposed to look into that kind of thing did their jobs by asking questions, researching, etc. Seems like the default, though, has been to shut down any asking of legitimate questions and cry racism. This thread is proof of that.

 

[LemonAndLime]

I am am surprised you are positng? Why arent you glued to the TV watching Royal wedding coverage? My wife is British(born and raised in Aberdare ,Wales) and is on the TV day and night. My attitude is get the weddng over already!!!

I’m not interested in the news channels over here trying to squeeze out as much time in coverage as they can and the “latest news! - Kate wore this dress to the rehearsal!” I am looking forward to watching the actual wedding though. Besides, I’m currently working night shifts. Much rather sleep. :yawn:

It’s going to be a national bank holiday for us this weekend. We’re going to drink tea, have morris dancing, dance around the maypole, use lots of roundabouts, maybe burn some Catholics - and all other “British” things you Americans think we do all the time. I may not attend the last one though.

My comments are all in good fun by the way!

 

[seekerz]

Pure speculation to call it anything else. Whose going to ever want to vote for another black man for president if they are too scared to criticize them?

There was more racism in white people voting for him than there is in this BC situation.

Pure speculation to point out the truth: that this has nothing to do with what is accepted in polite company as ‘personal criticism’?

Let’s look at your terminology more in depth: since when was place of birth (a matter totally out of the hands of the individual traversing the birth canal) a fair subject for criticizing someone over? Far as I know, ‘personal criticism’ runs the gamut of actions, ideology, relationships, finances, acquaintances, educational achievement, any and all matters*** for which the subject of criticism is responsible***.

Now you think that assigning any other description than ‘criticism’ to challenging someone’s birthplace, is speculation! Maybe you need to clarify your definitions of ‘criticism’ and of ‘speculation’. Maybe you just need to let the truth speak for itself. It really doesn’t need any help.

 

[kimmielittle]

What does transparency have to do with his birth certificate? Is the suggestion that we have NEVER before had a transparent government. As I said yesterday, the president answers to the people in a manner governed by democratic principles - he is not in any way bound to accede to their every demand for information - personal or otherwise. What if some groups had been formed which demanded he NOT produce his birth certificate? Which camp would he have been expected to bow to? Democratic principles exist for a reason, so no single interest group gets the right to dictate to the president.

You have a fallacy in logic here IMO

The first obvious flaw:
1; He voluntarily submitted his Long Form. - Just as he voluntarily kept it from the public for 2-3 years,.

2;He wasn’t demanded by Congress, to do so.

3; He submitted it for only one reason - ratings falling on his overall policy performance and the run for 2012.

4 It’s actually… HE had to…One Main reason was HIS own transparency pledge.

5; When you buy the gun - the bullets - and stick it to your own head and pull the trigger - you aren’t a martyr - It’s called suicide.

6 Did he owe it to the average voter - ABSOLUTELY!!! Especially, if he expects to win back favor ]

By his own words

Barack Hussein Obama : Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.

You can defend Mr. Obama if you wish - but don’t attempt to get me to buy that he is a martyr - It’s illogical to attempt

 

[seekerz]

Since when? Looks like yesterday, since Obama showed his birth certificate then. Looks like the “some” includes Trump.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Seriously, I don’t know. I would hope that the “some” who are officials and supposed to look into that kind of thing did their jobs by asking questions, researching, etc. Seems like the default, though, has been to shut down any asking of legitimate questions and cry racism. This thread is proof of that.

Who “shut down” the asking of questions: legitimate or otherwise? This (I am determined to be as polite and charitable as I was raised to be) - matter - has been the subject of intense debate, Youtube videos, email campaigns, forum debates and now, most regrettably, a WH sideshow too.

Let me ask you something: who determines what is legitimate to ask of the president? Or are there no rules and anyone just gets to knock the door and demand he satisfy their curiosity?

 

[seekerz]

What’s the fallacy in my logic? The poster equated transparency to presenting a long form birth certificate. If that’s the case, we’ve never had a transparent administration before yesterday. I’ve already conceded that no one forced him to do it and that he shouldn’t have.

I don’t get any pleasure out of belittling people because somehow that just doesn’t seem to make me any taller.

You have a fallacy in logic here IMO

The first obvious flaw:
1; He voluntarily submitted his Long Form. - Just as he voluntarily kept it from the public for 2-3 years,.

2;He wasn’t demanded by Congress, to do so.

3; He submitted it for only one reason - ratings falling on his overall policy performance and the run for 2012.

4 It’s actually… HE had to…One Main reason was HIS own transparency pledge.

5; When you buy the gun - the bullets - and stick it to your own head and pull the trigger - you aren’t a martyr - It’s called suicide.

6 Did he owe it to the average voter - ABSOLUTELY!!! Especially, if he expects to win back favor ]

By his own words

Barack Hussein Obama : Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.

 

[mcrow]

:thumbsup:Well, I’m glad this is over.

I’m not a fan of Obama but I thought this whole birther thing was stupid to begin with.

Now lets move on to the real issues!