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bosnian_muslim
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i know a gay pastor
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Jimmy_B
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From which denomination???i know a gay pastor
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bosnian_muslim
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lutheran
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OneTrueCathApos
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It is YOU who needs to read the bible more, because if you have Everyone knows that God WAS a mean God in the OT. WHY DON’T YOU READ IT!!! And those are your ridiculous words saying I think Jesus is a cool hippie or something. Stop putting words in my mouth Lutheran. It doesn’t take a theologian genius to figure it out…
It is actually not a “truth” at all.
This is the irony of the ELCA position: they do not support gay marriage (well, not yet)! Instead, they will permit a gay clergyman to be in a committed lifelong relationship outside of marriage, but a straight clergymen’s committed lifelong relationship must be marriage. :whacky:
Unwilling yet to change the Church’s historic definition and intention of marriage, they instead set up an exception to it, not based on scripture and the Confessions, but instead based on an extreme left political agenda.
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AngloCatholic1
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Jimmy B:
Unfortunately, you can now add the Anglican Church of Canada to the “support” list.
It was a gradual process (that’s the way the serpent always operates). Some 30 odd years ago they first began the ordination of women “priests”. Then in the early 1990’s several members tried to get Synod to acknowledge that “there are homosexuals among us” (to which some rightly responded “Yes, there are thieves and murders amongst us as well, but so what?!” but the comment fell upon deaf ears). Then, in the late 1990’s they pushed for a vote on accepting Gay “marriage”. They were narrowly defeated, but they simply put the vote forward again at the next Synod and eventually won the day. (That’s the way evil works… they keep asking for another vote until they eventually get their way, and once they do… they stop asking for a vote!!!)
The silver lining is that it was this issue (amongst others) that lead me to find the Roman Catholic Church. I had never thought of myself as Catholic, simply because I naively bought into anti-catholic rhetoric when I was a kid. Turns out I’ve ALWAYS been Catholic, and just never knew it! Praise God!
Unfortunately, you can now add the Anglican Church of Canada to the “support” list.
It was a gradual process (that’s the way the serpent always operates). Some 30 odd years ago they first began the ordination of women “priests”. Then in the early 1990’s several members tried to get Synod to acknowledge that “there are homosexuals among us” (to which some rightly responded “Yes, there are thieves and murders amongst us as well, but so what?!” but the comment fell upon deaf ears). Then, in the late 1990’s they pushed for a vote on accepting Gay “marriage”. They were narrowly defeated, but they simply put the vote forward again at the next Synod and eventually won the day. (That’s the way evil works… they keep asking for another vote until they eventually get their way, and once they do… they stop asking for a vote!!!)
The silver lining is that it was this issue (amongst others) that lead me to find the Roman Catholic Church. I had never thought of myself as Catholic, simply because I naively bought into anti-catholic rhetoric when I was a kid. Turns out I’ve ALWAYS been Catholic, and just never knew it! Praise God!
The issue is never whether or not a clergyman is gay, as there have certainly been gays in all brands of clergy, including gay Muslim clerics. The issue is always how does one deal with one’s gender attraction outside of marriage. Gay or straight, it doesn’t matter.i know a gay pastor
Being gay does not eliminate one from serving the Lord, even as a pastor, anymore than being straight does.
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1holycatholic
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The Unitarian Universalists warrant their own category as well.
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bosnian_muslim
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well he has a partner,so i guess he does “things”
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hosemonkey
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Aside from being an abomination to God, Gay sex is just plain nasty., not to mention life-threatening.
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Homosexual actions are immoral becuse there is no possiblity of life which is what the sexual act is primarily about. it is about bringing life into the world through an act of love which is why contraception is moraly wrong becuse it denies life. Marriage is the mirrior image of how god communicates with the human soul. The soul is female in STRUCTURE though not nessasarlay in personality. the soul must be receptive (female princable) to allow the holy spirit to enter (masculine princible) which brings life. The soul acts like a womb submission to god is like the egg and the spirit like a sperm when they come together in union through repentace god and human become one flesh on a spiritual level conciving a mind of christ and the birth of that mind is what we call being born again. becuse marriage is the mirrior image of our union with god there is no such thig as same sex marriage or union. what the gay activists are really after is a social contract in sharing of matirial goods.
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My thought is that you will have a few million (just in the US) Lutherans upset at you. The second largest Lutheran body in the US (Missouri Synod) is conservative and against gay marriage (for that matter they do not ordain women either). Ditto for the Wisconsin Synod. I know Lutherans who get upset every time the media says “Lutherans support X” when they mean a subset.
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1holycatholic
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Which Lutheran synod holds to Sola Scriptura?
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OneTrueCathApos
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Really? Do you think all teenage gays go to hell? this is a yes or no question.
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2nd_Adam
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Thanks for bringing out this attitude that is found in both Catholics and Protestants alike. I think 21st Century Christians have sinned and discriminated against those with a different sexual orientation. Evangelical teens commit suicide when they come to grips that they are gay or a lesbian since they become alienated from their family and religious communities. Heck, some Evangelical parents send their gay and lesbian kids to straight camps to make them straight. Some Evangelical parents disown their gay and lesbian children too. I’m not sure if Catholics have a tendency to treat their gay and lesbian children in the same way some Evangelicals do. Christians put stickers on their cars like “God hate fags”. Now, that’s a Christless Christianity. Please join me in a related thread called “Discerning Homosexuality and same sex marriage in the light of the gospel”.
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Really what?
As far as teenage “gays” are concerned, I don’t know who goes to hell. but St. Paul says that those who practice homosexuality do. You figure it out. Not my rules.
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Are you saying that you have never committed adultery according to Jesus? If you are honest… we are both sexually immoral sinners as heterosexuals according to Jesus Christ. We are both on this list of Saint Paul as heterosexual adulterers. If you cannot identify with this list of sins below, then you have no need of a Savior. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Here are the relevant Scriptures:
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1- Cor 6
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. - Jesus
Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.” - John 8
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You cannot have compassion for sinners until you understand that you are a sinner saved by the grace of God alone through the merit of Christ.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. - Saint Paul
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So, what’s your point? I do not disagree with you, I am simply stating that St. Paul said this about homosexuals, I do not know who is going to hell and that homosexual sex is nasty and life-threatening. What part do you NOT agree with? Do you have homosexual issues?
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