Which Church is God's true Church, and why? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

[guanophore]

Hi guanophore,

As far as using the term “assistant priest” , I was using the word that gurneyhalleck1(Catholic) used in his post to me referring to an Anglican priest from his old Anglican Church. Just so you know, in the Episcopal Church you may hear the words curate, assistant or associate referring to the priest that assist the Rector/Vicar. I understand how this could of confused you.

Yes, I understood you were following up on that use of the term, and I was confused by it. Ok, so he is ordained as an Episcopal priest, but may have various roles assigned, do I understand that correctly?

Celibacy, I believe that I did state that it was a discipline not a dogma in the RC. When I spoke of following Jesus’ model of priesthood, I was referring to those that He chose as His apostles- Peter for example. Let us please agree to disagree if Peter was married or not.

Peter stated that the Apostles had left everything to follow Him. One wonders if that includes marital relations. when a married priest of the Eastern Rite becomes a priest he may be given over to the Church, and not return ever to normal marital relations.

When and why did the Roman Catholic Church begin this discipline?

Oh, there are a lot of reasons. Celibacy has always been highly valued, as found in the model of Christ Himself, and Paul the Apostle. During the Monastic period, very devout persons were purified by austere living, and the Church benefitted more by choosing clergy from among those called to that lifestyle. Primarily, though, I think this is the case in the Latin Rite because of so many abuses and politics in Europe. The Latin Rite, more common in Europe than the others, suffered illegitimate children of priets, which became a scandal and burden on the Church, and the involvement with secular politics of clerics created dynasty difficulties. All these can be prevented if the priest is called to the gift of celibacy.

You stated “The discernment of the gift of celibacy preceedes the discernment of the priesthood” which honestly is not always the case. For example, the Roman Catholic Church has had married Episcopal priest become priest in the RC and the discipline for celebacy is not required of them, correct?

This is an exception to the rule, and it is excepted because the priest is not Catholic, and did not go through the Latin rite preparation prior to receiving holy orders. The lack of availability of the discernment period (during which the person may have chosen celibacy) is not made to be an impediment to service. Even in these cases, however, such persons are not given positions of Pastor or other responsibilities that would unduly detract from their family. The Catholic church considers marraige and family a vocation in itself, so the convert who is received as a priest is considered to have two full time jobs, which is avoided when possible.

 

[Peter_J]

emeraldcoast- Your signature is offensive.

First you adveratise a false religion. Then you have a quote that implies Catholics do not tolerate any questioning of the Faith.

Oh. I thought you were going to say it’s offensive to religious nuts.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Don’t play me down because I’m younger than you.

I can take you on. Let’s go. I can refute any argument you have. I’ve gone up against anti-Catholics 10 times harder than you.

I want to see you try and beat me.

 

[mike00077]

Catechism of the Catholic Church

883 “The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter’s successor, as its head.” As such, this college has “supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff.”

2034 The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are “authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice.” The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for.

2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. “Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

 

[Bill_Pick]

Which Church is God’s true Church, and why? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

I believe that it is the Roman Catholic Church.

What are your thoughts? Please support your opinions with facts. I will provide information, which all goes to support the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ and the Church that God intended for all men…

TODAY SOME PEOPLE CALL IT THE ROMAN CC BUT ITS RIGHT FULL NAME IS THE CATHLOIC CHURCH

 

[Jimmy_B]

TODAY SOME PEOPLE CALL IT THE ROMAN CC BUT ITS RIGHT FULL NAME IS THE CATHLOIC CHURCH

There may be some turth to that but I have never attended an Orthodox Mass…maybe one of these days.

The main difference here being, my Church has a Pope…and he lives in Rome…Hence, the “Roman” Catholic Church…

 

[TOME]

As I wrote in several other places, the True Church is the Body of Christ, the People of God which “Subsist” with in the Catholic Church but is something other than the Roman Catholic Church. This comes from Lumen Gentium.

 

[Ignatius]

Which Church is God’s true Church, and why? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

I believe that it is the Roman Catholic Church.

There may be some turth to that but I have never attended an Orthodox Mass…maybe one of these days.

The main difference here being, my Church has a Pope…

The term ‘Roman Catholic’ was invented as a derogatory term of derision and is not the proper name of The Church.
The Catholic Church is a communion of many Sui Juris Churches all in communion with The Holy See. The “Roman” Church is only one of them. There are millions of Faithful Catholics who are not ‘Roman’.
The Ruthenian Catholic Church, Ukranian Catholic Church, Antiochine Catholic Church, Melkite Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church and any of the other Sui Juris Catholic Churches are every bit as much a part of the Catholic Church as the Roman Catholic Church. There is a nice article on this subject in “This Rock” magazine published by Catholic Answers.

We’re not all “Roman” Catholics, you know.

The correct name for the Church Universal, in communion with the Holy See, is “The Catholic Church”.

Your servant in Christ.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

The term ‘Roman Catholic’ was invented as a derogatory term of derision and is not the proper name of The Church.
The Catholic Church is a communion of many Sui Juris Churches all in communion with The Holy See. The “Roman” Church is only one of them. There are millions of Faithful Catholics who are not ‘Roman’.
The Ruthenian Catholic Church, Ukranian Catholic Church, Antiochine Catholic Church, Melkite Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church and any of the other Sui Juris Catholic Churches are every bit as much a part of the Catholic Church as the Roman Catholic Church. There is a nice article on this subject in “This Rock” magazine published by Catholic Answers.

We’re not all “Roman” Catholics, you know.

The correct name for the Church Universal, in communion with the Holy See, is “The Catholic Church”.

Your servant in Christ.

If you are Catholic, you follow the pope.

 

[Ignatius]

Ignatius:

The term ‘Roman Catholic’ was invented as a derogatory term of derision and is not the proper name of The Church.
The Catholic Church is a communion of many Sui Juris Churches all in communion with The Holy See. The “Roman” Church is only one of them. There are millions of Faithful Catholics who are not ‘Roman’.
The Ruthenian Catholic Church, Ukranian Catholic Church, Antiochine Catholic Church, Melkite Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church and any of the other Sui Juris Catholic Churches are every bit as much a part of the Catholic Church as the Roman Catholic Church. There is a nice article on this subject in “This Rock” magazine published by Catholic Answers.

We’re not

all “Roman” Catholics, you know.

The correct name for the Church Universal, in communion with the Holy See, is “The Catholic Church”.

If you are Catholic, you follow the pope.

I’m going to ask you to learn a little more about Tour Church, The Catholic Church. Right here on Catholic Answers in the This Rock magazine there is an excellent article on the subject titled ‘The Rite not to be Roman’. Please read it. Also you may want to go to the Vatican website and look up the Sui Juris Churches.

BTW, The correct name for the Church Universal, in communion with the Holy See, is “The Catholic Church”.

Your Servant in Christ.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

I’m going to ask you to learn a little more about Tour Church, The Catholic Church. Right here on Catholic Answers in the This Rock magazine there is an excellent article on the subject titled ‘The Rite not to be Roman’. Please read it. Also you may want to go to the Vatican website and look up the Sui Juris Churches.

BTW, The correct name for the Church Universal, in communion with the Holy See, is “The Catholic Church”.

Your Servant in Christ.

To be Catholic is to follow the pope. I am Catholic. I follow the pope and everything he says to do, and everything he says to change I do. The pope is the head of the Catholic church. period…

 

[Ignatius]

The term ‘Roman Catholic’ was invented as a derogatory term of derision and is not the proper name of The Church.
The Catholic Church is a communion of many Sui Juris Churches all in communion with The Holy See. The “Roman” Church is only one of them. There are millions of Faithful Catholics who are not ‘Roman’.
The Ruthenian Catholic Church, Ukranian Catholic Church, Antiochine Catholic Church, Melkite Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church and any of the other Sui Juris Catholic Churches are every bit as much a part of the Catholic Church as the Roman Catholic Church. There is a nice article on this subject in “This Rock” magazine published by Catholic Answers.

No one has said otherwise. You do know that there have been popes from the Eastern Catholic Churches, don’t you?

Anyway, I hope you have taken advantage of this conversation to educate yourself a little better about our Church. Especially the following:

• The term ‘Roman Catholic’ was invented as a derogatory term of derision and is not the proper name of The Church.
• The Catholic Church is a communion of many Sui Juris Churches all in communion with The Holy See. The Roman" Church is only one of them.
• There are millions of good, Faithful Catholics who are not ‘Roman’ Catholic…
• The Ruthenian Catholic Church, Ukranian Catholic Church, Melkite Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church and any of the other Sui Juris Catholic Churches are every bit as much a part of the Catholic Church
• You can learn more about The Sui Juris Churches of The Catholic Church on the Vatican web site

Your Servant in Christ.

 

[Jimmy_B]

…You do know that there have been popes from the Eastern Catholic Churches, don’t you?

Hello Ignatius,

Who is the the “Pope” of the Eastern Orthodox Church today?

Peace

 

[guanophore]

There may be some turth to that but I have never attended an Orthodox Mass…maybe one of these days.

The main difference here being, my Church has a Pope…and he lives in Rome…Hence, the “Roman” Catholic Church…

He is not talking about the Orthodox, Jimmy B, but the other 22 Rites of the Catholic Church that are not Roman. Consider attending a Byzantine Liturgy, that will satisfy your Sunday Obligation, and open your mind so you are not so prejudiced against your non-Latin Rite brethren.

 

[guanophore]

Hello Ignatius,

Who is the the “Pope” of the Eastern Orthodox Church today?

Peace

You guys are not getting it. The Eastern Catholic Churches are not Orthodox. They are in union with the Bishop of Rome.

I am going to agree with Ignatius. Y’all need to educate yourselves about your own Church. Only one of the 23 Rites in Catholicsm is Latin. The Church is not Roman. It is Catholic.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

He is not talking about the Orthodox, Jimmy B, but the other 22 Rites of the Catholic Church that are not Roman. Consider attending a Byzantine Liturgy, that will satisfy your Sunday Obligation, and open your mind so you are not so prejudiced against your non-Latin Rite brethren.

Jesus Christ left one man, an authority of the Catholic church to be in charge until He comes. I don’t care how you slice it by saying all these kinds of Catholics like the Eastern etc…Christ left one man in charge of one church…the Catholic church. period.

 

[guanophore]

Jesus Christ left one man, an authority of the Catholic church to be in charge until He comes. I don’t care how you slice it by saying all these kinds of Catholics like the Eastern etc…Christ left one man in charge of one church…the Catholic church. period.

No one is disputing that (except the Protestants!). You seem to be missing the fact that Peter had perfect unity with all the Apostles. There was no division. The Apostles planted churches all over the world. Not all of them are “Roman”. That happens to be the largest Catholic Rite in the West (America and Europe). The other 22 Rites are no less Catholic.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

No one is disputing that (except the Protestants!). You seem to be missing the fact that Peter had perfect unity with all the Apostles. There was no division. The Apostles planted churches all over the world. Not all of them are “Roman”. That happens to be the largest Catholic Rite in the West (America and Europe). The other 22 Rites are no less Catholic.

If you are a Catholic, you follow the pope. There is only one church, one authority and I will not say it again.

 

[Ignatius]

Ignatius:

The Catholic Church is a communion of many Sui Juris Churches all in communion with The Holy See. The “Roman” Church is only one of them. There are millions of Faithful Catholics who are not ‘Roman’.
The Ruthenian Catholic Church, Ukranian Catholic Church, Antiochine Catholic Church, Melkite Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church and any of the other Sui Juris Catholic Churches are every bit as much a part of the Catholic Church as the Roman Catholic Church.

,

. . . . the Eastern Orthodox Church today?

Peace

We are not talking about the Orthodox. We are talking about the Sui Juris Catholic Churches which are in full communion with Pope Benedict XVI. They are part of The Catholic Church.

You will alleviate your misunderstanding if you will please read the referenced articles on the Sui Juris Churches of The Catholic Church in The Catechism of The Catholic Church, at on Catholic Answers, on EWTN and at the Vatican.

 

[guanophore]

If you are a Catholic, you follow the pope. There is only one church, one authority and I will not say it again.

We are in agreement on this point. However, that was not what my post was about. My post was to point out that the One Church is not “Roman”. The Latin Rite is only one of 23 Rites that are in communion with the Bishop of Rome.