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Namesake
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Nope. No one can make God not exist.
Which church is God's true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?
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JimArsenault
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Hmmm seems the forum is called Catholic answers. I would ask Why is there a protestant “Thread” in here for non catholics?
You must have come here for Catholic answers don’t complain when you get them.
Ask and you shall recieve:thumbsup:
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Peter_J
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Exactly how many times have you watched “Bruce Almighty”?
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Hobble
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I think you’re missing his point.
He means the problem with the church, is that there are a select group of people, who claim to have been selected by god, who have power.
Whenever you have a system like this, you will have people abusing their power, and it is well recorded as happening in the history of the Catholic religion.
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Namesake
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Exactly zero times. Do you recommend it?
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Namesake
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Lay on MacDuff…
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JimArsenault
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I have read and read in this thread. hey that rymes lol
But everyone seems to be avoiding the first question.
Who is the 1 true church???
Really we have beaten the Catholic Church enough on this topic.
SOOO Who else would like to try a round at proving their authority.
There are many many churches out there I have heard around 30,000 come now someone must have something to back them??
But everyone seems to be avoiding the first question.
Who is the 1 true church???
Really we have beaten the Catholic Church enough on this topic.
SOOO Who else would like to try a round at proving their authority.
There are many many churches out there I have heard around 30,000 come now someone must have something to back them??
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Swan
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Agreed. I actually reject the notion that Jesus came to start a “chruch” in the institutional sense of the word. He tried to teach us some ways to get closer to God, to grow spiritually. The world is a big place with many people, cultures and ideas. God has the capacity to reach all people in a way that is acceptable/comfortable for them. I don’t think limiting God is a good idea but it is what many “religions” as “institutions” try to do.
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Peter_J
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I neither recommend it nor dis-recommend it. (Well, you know what I mean.
) But if you do watch it, you’ll see why I said that in response to:(But don’t watch just on that account.)
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AlegreFe
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She wasn’t trying to hit YOUR nail. I know you know what she meant. You know you have not put the whole part of that quote here, so I’ll do it for you.
If we all looked for a church that had perfect people because we thought that a church should have perfect people in it, then you would never find that church. That “church” just would not exist.
The Church is Holy because of Jesus. The people IN the Church are called to be holy but we are not there yet. God is still working on us so that we can get there. We are to be perfect like our Father in Heaven is perfect. But we are not yet perfect.
The Church is a hospital for sinners. I am a sinner. I never want to be in any other hospital other than the Catholic Church. We have the best physician in the world! And He provides us with the best medicine, the best food, the best drink! Jesus is my medicine in the Sacrament of Confession. Jesus is my food & drink in the Sacrament of Holy Communion. I couldn’t ask for a better cure anywhere. But I have to keep taking the medicine on a regular basis in order for it to work best.
And it is a lifelong commitment, one which I don’t mind taking on a regular basis.
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AlegreFe
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(bold emphasis mine)
Huh?
Do you mean as in slowly uncovering the whole truth? as in how dogmas are developed? We have that.
The Catholic Church has the WHOLE DEPOSIT of Faith. Jesus promised it for us. Jesus does not lie. God has revealed ALL truth to us. God is outside of time but we are not. Everything is already set for God but not for us. The Church uncovers the truth with time. That is why you see “dogmas” develope at different times throughout the 2,000 year life of the Catholic Church.
But just because we do not have it all uncovered (I think we have 99.9% of it with the other part already here but not officially) does not mean that it is not here already deposited in the Catholic Church. If you truly believe that we are the “closest to the truth” then you may as well become Catholic. Because you will not get any “closer” than the Catholic Church. We are not only “close,” we are actually there because Jesus is here! And He promised to lead us into ALL truth.
Come on home! You’re more than welcome!
Jesus can’t wait to see you from the Tabernacle or at Adoration! or during the Mass! If you haven’t seen my video yet, please click on the link in my siggy “Jesus is the Eucharist.”
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Jimmy_B
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Shhh…I thnk I heard something…I have read and read in this thread. hey that rymes lol
But everyone seems to be avoiding the first question.
Who is the 1 true church???
Really we have beaten the Catholic Church enough on this topic.
SOOO Who else would like to try a round at proving their authority.
There are many many churches out there I have heard around 30,000 come now someone must have something to back them??
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Nope…it was nothing…
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Hobble
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If you’ll notice my post after that I mentioned that I realized I quoted it in a misleading way, it was not intentional, but unfortunately this board has a time limit for editing posts.She wasn’t trying to hit YOUR nail. I know you know what she meant. You know you have not put the whole part of that quote here, so I’ll do it for you.
I don’t think that God is still working on us.The Church is a hospital for sinners. I am a sinner. I never want to be in any other hospital other than the Catholic Church. We have the best physician in the world! And He provides us with the best medicine, the best food, the best drink! Jesus is my medicine in the Sacrament of Confession. Jesus is my food & drink in the Sacrament of Holy Communion. I couldn’t ask for a better cure anywhere. But I have to keep taking the medicine on a regular basis in order for it to work best.
I think the reason we haven’t had any contact with God or any holy spirit for so long, is because we need to help ourselves.
Jesus gave us a push, but I don’t think he gave us the whole picture. God made us smart, and I think he wants us to piece together the puzzle of life on our own. He’s given us small hints, but the rest of the journey is ours.
I think we’re not going anywhere as long as people stick with the “Jesus told us this, that’s all we’re supposed to do until we die, we can’t question it, we can’t explore other or further possibilities”. The Churches have built a box, a trap, a boundary which is stopping us from realizing the connection.
I don’t think we are here to worship God. The craving for idolization is a Human characteristic, God is much smarter than that, he doesn’t need us to feed his ego. He wants us to realize our own independent potential as beings.
At this point as a species, we are not living up to that potential.
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AlegreFe
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Not true. We know that there are protestant denominations that have truths. But they do not have ALL the truths. The full deposit of faith is right here in the Catholic Church.
When Martin Luther “jumped ship” he took a lot of what was on the Mother Ship. So of course you are going to have some truths because they came from the Mother Ship, the Catholic Church. But as we all know, those small rafts cannot stay afloat for very long. The Catholic Church has stayed afloat for over 2,000 years. It’s too bad that many have jumped Luther’s little raft also. They took even less truths with them because they didn’t like some of the truths that Luther had. They even made up some of their own “truths” to kind of make up what they didn’t take from Luther’s little raft. Many of those even smaller rafts didn’t even survive decades and/or centuries later.
We do not believe that we are the only ones with the truth. But we certainly have the WHOLE truth. And we certainly have the final right of interpretation of the bible. Otherwise there would be many different interpretations for one bible verse.
And believing something when it is not true does not make it true.
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Hobble
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I actually regretted what I said in that post soon after I posted. The second paragraph of what I said I believe, but not the first part.(bold emphasis mine)
Huh?
Do you mean as in slowly uncovering the whole truth? as in how dogmas are developed? We have that.
The Catholic Church has the WHOLE DEPOSIT of Faith. Jesus promised it for us. Jesus does not lie. God has revealed ALL truth to us. God is outside of time but we are not. Everything is already set for God but not for us. The Church uncovers the truth with time. That is why you see “dogmas” develope at different times throughout the 2,000 year life of the Catholic Church.
But just because we do not have it all uncovered (I think we have 99.9% of it with the other part already here but not officially) does not mean that it is not here already deposited in the Catholic Church. If you truly believe that we are the “closest to the truth” then you may as well become Catholic. Because you will not get any “closer” than the Catholic Church. We are not only “close,” we are actually there because Jesus is here! And He promised to lead us into ALL truth.
Come on home! You’re more than welcome!
I can’t bring myself to join a church because church seems so immature to in my view. It seems as useless and pompous as nationalism.
There have been prophets from several religions, but yet for some reason religions are still butting heads. It seems to me that everyone was given a piece of the puzzle, but for some reason we won’t connect them. There is wisdom to be found in the teachings of most religions, even some of the dead ones, they all have some piece of knowledge and understanding to the universe and our connection to God, not just one. More pieces of the puzzle will come from science. It’s all connected.
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AlegreFe
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Oooh, be careful what you reject. If you reject the Church of Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church, then you reject Jesus. Perhaps not directly. But look what happened to Paul.
Yes, and to keep it going without it being lost, He established His Church, which is the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church in no way tries to limit God. There is no way we could ever do that. No one can limit God.
The Catholic Church also knows that God is the creator of all human beings. But He certainly did not create you so that you can be “comfortable” here on earth. If you believe that you will never be happy. And He certainly doesn’t want to reach you in a way that is “acceptable” for you just so you can be “comfortable.” He doesn’t want to torture you either. So don’t claim that I am saying that. We know that God is a loving and merciful God. What loving parent doesn’t put boundries & limitations on their children because they love them? What loving parent will allow a child to run out in the street because a car might come around the corner to hit that child?
Jesus died on the cross, but that does not mean we’re off “scott free” without putting our part into it as we are the Body of Christ, the Church. So don’t think you are going to be “comfortable” all your life just because you believe in Him. As a matter of fact, the closer you are to God, the more you will suffer here on earth. And if you haven’t suffered yet, you will one day; even if it is only on your death bed. You will get your cross one day if you haven’t gotten it already.
If you feel you won’t be prepared for that cross, the best place to be is in the Catholic Church. The Church has everything you need for your journey to salvation. And if you feel you’ll be prepared for that cross all on your own, then it just means that you are not prepared. At least if you admit you might not be prepared, you will be in the best place you could be if you’re in the Catholic Church. And if you are prepared and you seem to be going along just fine, one day something might happen that will throw you off track. So your best bet is to just join us in the Catholic Church.
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AlegreFe
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Shhh…I thnk I heard something…
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Nope…it was nothing…
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JimArsenault
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The words of Jesus I quote.
“Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me.And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me”
“feed my sheep”
Do these words ring a bell or are you going to misinterpet them as well.
God wants you in his Church his family that is why he sent you here.
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vineyardgirl
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Many times in the bible it says, if we believe in Christ, repent of our sins, get baptised, that we shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit i.e Acts 2:38. So, whoever has the Holy Spirit living in them is the true temple ie 1 Corinthians 6:19 “Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you…” Thus the “true” church comes about when believers who are the temple of God gather and meet i.e Ephesians 2:2.
And a warning, the Pharisees in Jesus’ time thought they had it all together, that they were following the true law of God…but Jesus was continually correcting them, for they didn’t have eyes to see the bigger picture of God and how He works i.e.They hassled Jesus for healing on the Sabbath and Jesus corrected their outlook.
Thus I would say to the person who started this thread, don’t hold so tightly to the fact that the catholic church is the only true church, with humility and awe dare to open up to the scriptures and the expanse of our God, that whoever believes in Him, when they meet with others, they are the true church. Tracing back to when the church begun and saying that’s the only true one, is reverting back to human reasoning and its too limiting to be of God.
And last one, as I recall all throughout the new testament Paul is correcting the churches for this and for that i.e for returning back to good works to earn salvation/forgiveness of sins, so who is to say that just because the cathloic church traces back to the original churches of the new testament, that they have it all together and are true and correct?
I believe, that none of us, whatever denomination have it “altogether”, but that we do have insights into truth and gifts of the Spirit and we should work together as the body of Christ to save souls, its only Satan and his influence that has us doing otherwise.
And a warning, the Pharisees in Jesus’ time thought they had it all together, that they were following the true law of God…but Jesus was continually correcting them, for they didn’t have eyes to see the bigger picture of God and how He works i.e.They hassled Jesus for healing on the Sabbath and Jesus corrected their outlook.
Thus I would say to the person who started this thread, don’t hold so tightly to the fact that the catholic church is the only true church, with humility and awe dare to open up to the scriptures and the expanse of our God, that whoever believes in Him, when they meet with others, they are the true church. Tracing back to when the church begun and saying that’s the only true one, is reverting back to human reasoning and its too limiting to be of God.
And last one, as I recall all throughout the new testament Paul is correcting the churches for this and for that i.e for returning back to good works to earn salvation/forgiveness of sins, so who is to say that just because the cathloic church traces back to the original churches of the new testament, that they have it all together and are true and correct?
I believe, that none of us, whatever denomination have it “altogether”, but that we do have insights into truth and gifts of the Spirit and we should work together as the body of Christ to save souls, its only Satan and his influence that has us doing otherwise.
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Peter_J
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That may sound good on the surface, but I’d like to know what you think we need to learn from Islam?
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