Which church is God's true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

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cazayoux said:
I doubt the OP will ignore opposing points, but would actually address them.
So … no pontificating.

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These type of discussions always result in a large number of folks pontificating.
 
Pontificating is rather a loaded word, don’t you think?
Also, doesn’t it rather depend on the point of view of people?

To you, Hisalone, when you speak about YOUR faith, you are ‘testifying to the truth.’

But if a Catholic speaks about HIS faith, then it becomes ‘pontificating’ to you.😃

Well, you know, it can be the other way around. Maybe it’s the Catholics (yes, even in a non-Catholic religions forum which does happen to exist on a website called “Catholic Answers”) who are 'testifying." Maybe it will be the non-Catholics, in their responses, who start ‘pontificating’.

Or maybe, if we both let up on label use, we can LISTEN and say, "Gee, maybe I don’t agree with X position, but they are just telling me about their faith. Maybe they’re telling me more than I want to know, maybe I feel uncomfortable, but maybe I won’t label them with loaded words and will just sit back and just carry on a dialogue without making assumptions about people’s motives and already preparing to decide what they’re saying is just ‘pontificating.’
 
Hisalone said:
Christ never started a church.
He is the shepherd of Gods people His assembly.
The people/assembly of God is made up of all who believe in/rely on/trust in God. You have been taught wrong. It is not your fault.
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Ok! and how did your assembly started? was it 2000 years ago? was it before Christ? when was it? how they found out about Jesus?

i am very interested in finding out if you truly know what you are talking about.
please answer me. this is very interesting subject.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Which church is God’s true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

I believe that it is the Roman Catholic Church.

What are your thoughts? Please support your opinions with facts. I will provide information, which all goes to support the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ and the Church that God intended for man…

Peace 🙂

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sure it is. who dare to dissagree?

Chesterton
*** The Catholic faith even when watered down can still boil the world to rags. ***
 
Jimmy_B said:
Which church is God’s true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

I believe that it is the Roman Catholic Church.

What are your thoughts? Please support your opinions with facts. I will provide information, which all goes to support the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ and the Church that God intended for man…

Peace 🙂

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The only problem I have here is the word Roman.

“I Believe in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.” No Roman there.

There are other Rites to the Catholic Church. Although they are in full communion with the Roman Rite, they are not Roman. Are they NOT members of the One True Church just because they are not **Roman **Catholic?
 
MHalsey said:
The only problem I have here is the word Roman.

“I Believe in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.” No Roman there.

There are other Rites to the Catholic Church. Although they are in full communion with the Roman Rite, they are not Roman. Are they NOT members of the One True Church just because they are not **Roman **Catholic?
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yes. i always new the Church to be Catholic Church. i dont why now people refer to her as Roman Catholic church.
 
wisdomseeker said:
yes. i always new the Church to be Catholic Church. i dont why now people refer to her as Roman Catholic church.
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‘Roman’ was a derogatory addition.
For some reason we adopted it… not sure why.

michel
 
Tantum_ergo said:
It always makes me ‘wonder’ that people ‘ignore’ the Orthodox when they vehemently deny ‘the papist Romans’ as being the Church. You would think that while they scream, “No papal supremacy” they would remember, “oops, why there is that ‘eastern’ rite of the Church over in Constantinople, apostolic succession, etc. Oh, and in 1054 they refused the pope too. Sign me up!”. . .

But. . .they don’t. If they deny the Pope, and the ‘abuses’ of celibate clergy. . . why on EARTH don’t they flock to the Orthodox?
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Actually, quite a few of them are. A lot of Evangelicals who have studied the early Church and the Church fathers have become Eastern Orthodox. I’m currently reading a book compiled by Father Peter Gillchrist called “Coming Home”, a collection of stories by several Protestant pastors who became Orthodox.

And of course, we in the Catholic Church have also benefited by the same desire of Evangelicals to find their way back to the Church which Christ founded. Perhaps this will eventually lead to our reunification - not in our lifetime but someday. 🙂
 
Hisalone said:
Why do you start a thread on Catholism in a forum devoted to nonCatholic religions?
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Notice that the subheading of the “Non-Catholic Religions” forum is “Comparing and contrasting beliefs”.
 
Hisalone said:
Again you have been falsely taught.
Christ the Son of the Living God is the rock that Gods assembly is built on.
I have no problem with any verse in the bible.
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It’s the wrong question, too 😦 No Church, if left to itself, is of the slightest value for salvation. Left to ourselves, we can do nothing but sin - if we can do even that. The Church is no different: unless it is constantly maintained & renewed & graced & strengthened by God, it is worthless, meaningless.​

The Jews made the same mistake, with their “The temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD.” The Temple was useless, & their sacrifices were an abomination, without the holiness of life that should have distinguished them so that it might be clear they served the Most Holy God. So God destroyed the Temple, because it was loathsome to Him on account of their sins. There is no reason to think that God has changed - so it useless for any Church to boast of its age, its works, its extent, its power, its splendour, or any other thing it has; for if there is any good in it at all, that is solely from the graciousness of God, & in no way because it is anything in itself.

No Church is anything, apart from Christ - so all boasting & fretting about which is the “true Church” is completely meaningless. All are damnable without Christ, all can be means of His working if He pleases.
 
theistgal said:
Actually, quite a few of them are. A lot of Evangelicals who have studied the early Church and the Church fathers have become Eastern Orthodox.
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True, but there are also a suspiciously large number of Evangelicals (and Protestants in general) who seem to “repress” from their memory existence of Orthodoxy.
theistgal said:
I’m currently reading a book compiled by Father Peter Gillchrist called “Coming Home”, a collection of stories by several Protestant pastors who became Orthodox.

And of course, we in the Catholic Church have also benefited by the same desire of Evangelicals to find their way back to the Church which Christ founded.
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Also true. 🙂
 
Peter_J said:
True, but there are also a suspiciously large number of Evangelicals (and Protestants in general) who seem to “repress” from their memory existence of Orthodoxy.
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And there are a “suspiciously” large number of Western Catholics who do the same towards Eastern Catholics. 😉
 
I sense almost hostility here. I see a lot of people saying that they could never be anything but catholic or never be anything but protestant. If I had to guess, I would say most of those grew up in that particular part of the church, never having known anything else. And that’s cool. I myself grew up protestant. But I have been looking to find the truth. I don’t yet know where the most truth is, in the catholic side or the protestant side, but where I find truth, that is where I will be.

Another thing. The word “catholic” means whole, if I’m not mistaken. So why do we use it to segregate between sides of the chruch? Unless you really think that protestants are wrong, in which case, that makes us false prophets. Just a thought.
 
Slade118 said:
…Another thing. The word “catholic” means whole, if I’m not mistaken. So why do we use it to segregate between sides of the chruch? Unless you really think that protestants are wrong, in which case, that makes us false prophets. Just a thought.
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Hello Slade118,

Or "universal”…right?

General comment -

“Catholic”, upper case “C”, has a different meaning than, “catholic”, lower case “c” and terms like “Roman Catholic” or Latin Rite Catholic” (same thing) and Orthodox”, are even more specific…

I find it interesting to see so many non-Catholics here, who want to call themselves, “catholic”…why’s that?

Just because someone “says” that they are “Catholic”, doesn’t mean, that by definition; they are, right?

Peace 🙂
 
Jimmy_B said:
Which church is God’s true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

I believe that it is the Roman Catholic Church.

What are your thoughts? Please support your opinions with facts. I will provide information, which all goes to support the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ and the Church that God intended for man…

Peace 🙂

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I would like to hear the “official” non-Catholic, Protestant and/or “former Catholic” response to this, if there is one, my guess is that there are many different Protestant “twists” on this subject.
Is anyone here afraid of being guilty of the sin of apostasy or heresy?
 
A question was asked by Hisalone: “Why do you start a thread on Catholism in a forum devoted to nonCatholic religions?”
cazayoux said:
Probably to get the opinions of non-Catholics.
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Well, with 13 threads by same poster basically asking the same thing…what do you “really” think is the reason?

If Non-Catholics wanted to ask a question…this would be a good place for answer.

The title of this thread IMHO is “baiting” others into a possible war of words. How sad. 😦
 
cazayoux said:
You are incorrect in the Greek was the ‘original’ language.
Jesus spoke Aramaic.
The one word for rock is ‘cephas’ and there is no differentiation for the masculine or feminine of the word.
“You are cephas and on this cephas i will build my church”

When written in greek, the term is feminine, which is why you see the second use of the word.
When naming Peter, the writer, properly so, did gave Peter the masculine form.

In no way does the sentence structure deny that Peter is the Rock.
Catholics do not see it as an either/or, we believe the Rock is also Peter’s confession.

We should also mention the fact that Jesus changed Simon’s name.
To deny the significance of this is to go against every other example of when God changed someone’s name.
(Abram to Abraham, Jacob to Israel, …)

michel
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What was, or was not said in Aramaic is complete conjecture. You do not know. I do not know. You have it in Greek; translated into English.
 
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