Which church is God's true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

[Jimmy_B]

A question was asked by Hisalone: “Why do you start a thread on Catholism in a forum devoted to nonCatholic religions?”

Well, with 13 threads by same poster basically asking the same thing…what do you “really” think is the reason?

If Non-Catholics wanted to ask a question…this would be a good place for answer.

The title of this thread IMHO is “baiting” others into a possible war of words. How sad.

So, as a Catholic, what would your answer be for the non-Catholic here?

"Which Church is God’s true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

You have accuse me of “baiting” and then personally insulted me by saying “How sad”. Would it be better in your opinion, if I posted in a way, where the average number of responses would be less than 10…just curious.

Please stay on topic, thanks.

I don’t usually take this stuff personally and neither should you, we’re just talking here, right?

Be nice.

Peace.

 

[Jimmy_B]

…The title of this thread IMHO is “baiting” others into a possible war of words. How sad.

Hello Julianna

So, as a Catholic, what would your answer be for the non-Catholic here?

"Which Church is God’s true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

You have accuse me of “baiting” and then personally insulted me by saying “How sad”. Would it be better in your opinion, if I posted in a way, where the average number of responses would be less than 10…just curious.

Please stay on topic, thanks.

I don’t usually take this stuff personally and neither should you, we’re just talking here, right?

Be nice.

Peace.

 

[Gara3987]

Again you have been falsely taught.
Christ the Son of the Living God is the rock that Gods assembly is built on.
I have no problem with any verse in the bible.

I have a question, what does the verse Matt. 18:17 mean to you:

Douay Rheims:

*“And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.”

KJV:

“And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.*”

Why would our Lord state “And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.” if He did not found a Church?

St. Ignatius seems to have been the first to give the name “Catholic” (Greek meaning universal) to “The Church.” He did this in a letter he wrote about the year 110, and in the course of the next two centuries the name caught on, and came into general use. By that time there were a few heresies in vogue, like Arianism, and “Catholic” became a name to distinguish the true Church from error and schism.

In the beginning the word “catholic” was simply an adjective meaning “universal.” Then it came to have the meaning of “one and only” and to be used as an appellative—a “proper name” for the Church. This appellative use did not become common until the fourth century.

The word “Roman Catholic” really came from the legislative enactments of Protestant England. They tried to pretend that there was another “Catholic” Church, namely, the “English Catholic.” Hence the name “Roman” was needed to distinguish the two. We still employ the consequences of their fiction.

 

[Harpazo]

What was, or was not said in Aramaic is complete conjecture. You do not know. I do not know. You have it in Greek; translated into English.

Hmm. That’s not entirely accurate either. I wouldn’t disregard the fact that St. Matthew’s Gospel account was written in Syriac-Aramaic. Could you please show us where the early Church did not believe that it was written in Aramaic? Or maybe show us that there were no copies of it in existence?

www.peshitta.org is a great site to see the Peshitta, the Aramaic version of the Bible which was in circulation within the mid 2nd century, I believe.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew

 

[Julianna]

Hello Julianna

So, as a Catholic, what would your answer be for the non-Catholic here?
My answer is, I don’t know and you don’t know either.
"Which Church is God’s true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

You have accuse me of “baiting” and then personally insulted me by saying “How sad”. Would it be better in your opinion, if I posted in a way, where the average number of responses would be less than 10…just curious.
I was referring to the number of threads you started.
Please stay on topic, thanks.
I was answering Hisalone. Is that not allowed on your threads. Let me know, so I can keep up.
I don’t usually take this stuff personally and neither should you, we’re just talking here, right?

Be nice.
Perhaps you should take a page out of your own book.
Peace.

My mom has a saying: “There is nothing worse than a reformed rake.”

and also with you.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Hmm. That’s not entirely accurate either. I wouldn’t disregard the fact that St. Matthew’s Gospel account was written in Syriac-Aramaic. Could you please show us where the early Church did not believe that it was written in Aramaic? Or maybe show us that there were no copies of it in existence?

www.peshitta.org is a great site to see the Peshitta, the Aramaic version of the Bible which was in circulation within the mid 2nd century, I believe.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew

There are very few people who contend that Matthew was originally an Aramaic gospel. Some sure…it is the internet after all. Are you contending there is an Aramaic version of Matthew’s gospel from the 2nd century available to see or a much later translation? Please be specific. You also just asked me to prove a negative! Twice!

 

[cazayoux]

What was, or was not said in Aramaic is complete conjecture. You do not know. I do not know. You have it in Greek; translated into English.

Would you agree that Jesus spoke in Aramaic?

michel

 

[adamoses]

Hello Jimmy B

In response to your question, concerning which is God’s true church. I am hopeful this Scripture can be agreed upon, as it is clearly written.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
(2 Peter 1:19-21)

To answer your question Jimmy, please view this video.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1919988998963596497

God bless,
Adam

 

[MDK]

Again you have been falsely taught.
Christ the Son of the Living God is the rock that Gods assembly is built on.
I have no problem with any verse in the bible.

Yes, we can see that you have no problem with any verse… as long as you can interpret it the way you want.

There is a correct teaching, and by reading what you wrote, you aren’t in line with it. It’s clear that Peter is the rock of the Church. For instance, why do you think Jesus changed Simon’s name to Kepha (rock) at that time?

You’ve already been shown to be incorrect when you said that “Christ never started a church.” When shown the Scripture by a Catholic, you ignore it and move on to another misinterpretation.

Please tell us where the Bible says you can interpret it for yourself, with right of final interpretation? Please also let us know what the “pillar and ground of truth” is.

Stick around with Catholics, and you’ll learn something about the truth of the Bible, from the Church that brought the Bible into the world. Sacred Scripture was written by Holy Spirit Inspired Catholics, for Catholics, and the books assembled into the Bible by the Catholic Church.

 

[cheese_sdc]

Which church is God’s true church?

All of them.

 

[AlegreFe]

Christ never started a church.
He is the shepherd of Gods people His assembly.
The people/assembly of God is made up of all who believe in/rely on/trust in God. You have been taught wrong. It is not your fault.

Jimmy said in his OP; "Please support your opinions with facts." So, where are your facts?

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B
Hello Julianna

So, as a Catholic, what would your answer be for the non-Catholic here?

Originally posted by Juliana: My answer is, I don’t know and you don’t know either.

Please help me out here, Juliana. You identify yourself as Catholic, as does Jimmy. You identify yourself as Catholic, yet when asked “Which church is God’s true church? Is it the Roman Church” you say YOU DON’T KNOW???

Why are you Catholic if you don’t ‘know’ it is God’s true church? How can you be Catholic if you don’t **know ** the Catholic Church is the true Church?

Do you think it’s the ‘best’ of several?
More ‘right’ than most?
You don’t know but you happen to have been born to a Catholic family so it’s 'who you are culturally?"

None of the above is a legitimate ‘answer’ according to authentic Catholic teaching. You ‘may’ hold any or all of those views and expect them to be ‘adequate’. . .but they are not.

While sadly some Catholic do appear to feel that they can’t ‘know’ their Church is the "True’ Church, by saying or feeling thus they are actually denying the Church they claim to belong to.

To be a Catholic is to accept all the teachings of the Church.

Let me show you this from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2105 The duty of offering God genuine worship concerns man both individually and socially. This is "the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies toward the true religion and the one Church of Christ." By constantly evangelizing men, the Church works toward enabling them “to infuse the Christian spirit into the mentality and mores, laws and structures of the communities in which [they] live.” The social duty of Christians is to respect and awaken in each man the love of the true and the good. It requires them to make known the worship of the one true religion which subsists in the Catholic and apostolic Church. Christians are called to be the light of the world. Thus, the Church shows forth the kingship of Christ over all creation and in particular over human societies.

What I bolded is Catholic teaching. It seems pretty darn CERTAIN that the Church which is God’s true Church is the Catholic church. “One Church” – not many.

I do not say that Protestant Churches do not share SOME of the Truth. They do. But they do not share all, so they CANNOT BE ONE: and we know there IS ‘only one’. That one is the Catholic Church.

God bless.

 

[AlegreFe]

Again you have been falsely taught.
Christ the Son of the Living God is the rock that Gods assembly is built on.
I have no problem with any verse in the bible.

This is true. And Catholics do not deny this. But so is Peter… the Rock that is. Someone has to be in charge here on earth. Jesus put Peter in charge.

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, (Rock - Kepha) and on this rock (referring to Peter) I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

John 21:15-19 Jesus and Peter
15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” 16 He said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. 18 Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you used to dress yourself and walk wherever you wanted, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will dress you and carry you where you do not want to go.” 19 (This he said to show by what kind of death he was to glorify God.) And after saying this he said to him, “Follow me.”
Jesus said on this rock, meaning Peter. Jesus gave PETER the Keys to His (Jesus) Kingdom. For the verses in John, in the Koine Greek, to tend/feed means to rule or govern. Jesus stayed with Peter and preached from Peter’s boat. I want to stay with Peter also. I want to stay on his boat, the Catholic Church.

Jesus even prayed for Peter so that when he (Peter) has turned back, that he strengthen his brothers also.
Luke 22:31-32
31 “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, (plural “you”) that he might sift you (plural “you”) like wheat, 32 but I have prayed for you (singular “you” for PETER) that your faith may not fail. And when you (singular “you” - PETER) have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”
Our current Pope does just that. He strengthens us in our faith.

 

[AlegreFe]

To start a discssion?
Or to pontificate?

I don’t believe that Jimmy wants to “pontificate.” I don’t see him as pompous at all. He gives all glory to God. I don’t see him as being “self-important” at all. Besides, I would consider Jimmy to be qualified to ask this question since he is Catholic and knows very well that Jesus started the Catholic Church. I believe he started this thread to get Protestants thinking and searching for the right answer.

If you keep an open mind & heart perhaps you too can see what we believe to be true; that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus built on Peter the Rock, Kepha. I believe he started this thread for people like you so that your wheels can start spinning in the right direction. You are in my prayers.

 

[AlegreFe]

Yes, we can see that you have no problem with any verse… as long as you can interpret it the way you want.

“Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,…”
2 Peter 1:20 (NAB)

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)

Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 (NIV)

There is a correct teaching, and by reading what you wrote, you aren’t in line with it. It’s clear that Peter is the rock of the Church. For instance, why do you think Jesus changed Simon’s name to Kepha (rock) at that time?

You’ve already been shown to be incorrect when you said that “Christ never started a church.” When shown the Scripture by a Catholic, you ignore it and move on to another misinterpretation.

Please tell us where the Bible says you can interpret it for yourself, with right of final interpretation? Please also let us know what the “pillar and ground of truth” is.

Stick around with Catholics, and you’ll learn something about the truth of the Bible, from the Church that brought the Bible into the world. Sacred Scripture was written by Holy Spirit Inspired Catholics, for Catholics, and the books assembled into the Bible by the Catholic Church.

:clapping:

 

[AlegreFe]

All of them.

This answer cannot be true as we all know that Jesus is only ONE! Jesus has only ONE BODY, not many like there are Protestant churches. The Holy Spirit is only one spirit, one mind. So all these different interpretations of the bible and of the faith cannot be true. There are truths in many of the denominations but not all have the FULLNESS of the TRUTH. We in the Catholic Church have all the truths in their fullness.

4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Eph 4:4-6 (ESV)

 

[Peter_J]

For the verses in John, in the Koine Greek, to tend/feed means to rule or govern.

I wasn’t aware of that.

 

[Peter_J]

And there are a “suspiciously” large number of Western Catholics who do the same towards Eastern Catholics.

 

[cheese_sdc]

This answer cannot be true as we all know that Jesus is only ONE! Jesus has only ONE BODY, not many like there are Protestant churches. The Holy Spirit is only one spirit, one mind. So all these different interpretations of the bible and of the faith cannot be true. There are truths in many of the denominations but not all have the FULLNESS of the TRUTH. We in the Catholic Church have all the truths in their fullness.
4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Eph 4:4-6 (ESV)

shrugs

Whatever floats your boat. If Divinity is infinite, I don’t quite understand how all the Truth can be contained in one particular denomination of one particular sect. It seems that Hindu claim to Truth, or the Buddhist, or the Native American religions, or the Taoist all have as good a claim to the Truth as Christianity’s.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[SIA]

Which church is God’s true church? Is it the Roman Catholic Church?

I believe that it is the Roman Catholic Church.

What are your thoughts? Please support your opinions with facts. I will provide information, which all goes to support the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ and the Church that God intended for man…

Peace

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Wrong. there are those in the RCC that will find the narrow path that Scripture speaks of and there will be others but one denomination being the only one Church Christ founded? Not a chance.