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Randy_Carson
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Let’s be optimistic for a moment. I think there is much misunderstanding regarding justification, but Catholics and Lutherans seem to be coming to the realization that they were saying the same thing but using different language.Hi Randy,
This is not the only document which indicates that the ONLY way that there will be a reunion between Catholics and Lutherans will be IF the Catholic Church changes it’s teachings:
**Luther and the Mass
Justification and the Joint Declaration **
by Daniel Preus, then the First VP of the LCMS
“This article ends with a declaration True Lutherans will never take pleasure in discord. But neither will they surrender truth that is so clear and necessary for the church. If the Lutheran Church today wishes to hold to the gospel of Christ correctly and faithfully, she cannot afford to ignore actual differences in doctrine, especially when those differences impinge so directly on the gospel itself. The Roman and Lutheran teachings on the Lord’s Supper not only divide us in our understanding of the sacrament of the altar. They represent two differing soteriologies, and no less in our day than in Luther’s. It is difficult to know what long-term effect the Joint Declaration will have on Lutheran and Roman Catholic churches. **One thing is sure we have no consensus now on the doctrine of justification, nor will there ever be consensus as long as the Roman mass remains a sacrifice.” **
Daniel Preus is a contributing editor for Logia. Formerly director of the Concordia Historical Institute, he is (was actually when he wrote this) First Vice President of the Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod.
Here we have the First VP of the LCMS stating that there will never be consensus between Lutherans and Catholics as long as the Catholic Mass remains a sacrifice.
Luther’s “ecumenical approach” lives on to this day.
For those who don’t understand the nature of the Catholic Church, the Catholic Mass will FOREVER be a sacrifice – so there you have it. It will never cave in to demands to change that or any other dogmatic teaching, In all of these various Lutheran pronouncements that I have seen, I have never seen one which indicates that Lutheranism would give in on any issue, but rather than it is expected that the Church would be required to.
God Bless You Randy, Topper
Similarly, the Orthodox have a real issue with the filioque, but it may be that East and West simply misunderstood one another in the past and that this can be corrected.
So, is it possible that maybe Lutherans have misunderstood the re-presentation of the one sacrifice of Jesus, and if they understand it correctly and agree with it, progress might be made?