Which Doctrines Do All Protestants Agree Upon?

[ALLFORHIM]

Any church you belong to does not even try to imitate, doesn’t even come close, to the Church Jesus founded, and gave his Holy Spirit to guide it infallibly for all time. (

Well, of course I would disagree

The Holy Spirit does not dwell in the Church’s hierarchy, but in all the members of Christ’s Mystical Body of Christ.)

AMEN!!! ABSOLUTELY and I am part of that mystical body of Christ–AMEN!!
Thank you Lord for dying for me.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

We believe the Holy Spirit is in our church, which is the Body of Christ, which is all of us. We don’t all have the gift of tongues, but the Holy Spirit guides the Magesterium and the Bishops…

As the HS guides all who have been sealed by Him.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Well I wonder what the baptists here say. I use to attend a baptist church and they certainly did believe Jesus descended into hell and that baptism of the HS is what saves us not water baptism.

Maybe Allischlamers will show up

I spent 86% of my Christian life in an independent fundamental anti-Catholic Baptist church. I think I know a thing or two about the Baptists. The ones I knew, and I myself wouldn’t say Jesus went to hell, because of the negative connotation, they’d say he went to Abraham’s Bosom.

 

[Teflon93]

As I stated recently “Also, I am not defending Luther. I did say he had good reason to protest abuses and corruption in the Church. He also had many faults, and was in error to seperate from the Church. I also think God’s Church is holy, though men in office through the years have abused their positions, including around the time of the reformation. Pointing out Alexander VI and Savonarola does not take away from the true beauty of the the Church, however ignoring these men does not make the Church more beautiful than it was in their day, nor does it make their stories go away.”

So, it is not so much that my conscience is playing favorites with one or the other. How about you, can you say the same, that your conscience is not more finely tuned when it comes to Martin Luther, and not so much when it comes to Alexander VI? How often do you consider the influence of Alexander VI in the origins of the reformation?

Michael

Well, given that he died a full 14 years before Luther nailed up his theses, not a lot.

It’s a bit like asking how Ronald Reagan caused the War in Iraq, isn’t it?

You are welcome to discuss Alexander VI as root cause of the Reformation in your own thread, or to discuss Catholic dogmas since the Reformation in your own thread.

How about getting back on topic in this one in the meantime?

 

[ALLFORHIM]

When you are baptized of Water, you are receiving the Holy Spirit, in Catholic theology.

CCC 1277 Baptism is birth into the new life in Christ. In accordance with the Lord’s will, it is necessary for salvation, as is the Church herself, which we enter by Baptism.

Yes I know:thumbsup: Ive been here long enough just dont agree

 

[ALLFORHIM]

I spent 86% of my Christian life in an independent fundamental anti-Catholic Baptist church. I think I know a thing or two about the Baptists. The ones I knew, and I myself wouldn’t say Jesus went to hell, because of the negative connotation, they’d say he went to Abraham’s Bosom.

I went to a southern baptist so I guess there is no unity there:shrug:

 

[ALLFORHIM]

I spent 86% of my Christian life in an independent fundamental anti-Catholic Baptist church. I think I know a thing or two about the Baptists. The ones I knew, and I myself wouldn’t say Jesus went to hell, because of the negative connotation, they’d say he went to Abraham’s Bosom.

I know someone who attends a church like that and I have to say they are legalistic in nature . I dont know if your church was, but it sounds just like her church. Too bad there are people out there like that

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Mt 28 19_20:

Really, more than once you have clarified that the Church had some fault? Please tell me which post # s I can find your reply with such.

This is no more than stonewalling on your part. In no fewer than 14 posts since your initial thread-derailing post, folks have included the Church’s fault as a partial cause of the Reformation. Pretty strange that you missed all fourteen posts, don’t you think? Why do you think that is? Any explanation?

Post 52:
Ani Ibi:

The plagues lowered the number of educated clergy.
Corruption among some clergy exascerbated the need for discipline.
Church/State boundaries became blurred.

Post 67
Pixie Dust:

If the Catholic Church has a fault in regards to Luther, it was that the Church ordained him too quickly.

Post 68
Ani Ibi:

The difference is that the Church owned up and made corrections.

Post 72
Ani Ibi:

Do you not read what is posted? I distinctly posted as one of the causes of the Reformation the following:

• The plagues lowered the number of educated clergy.
• Corruption among some clergy exascerbated the need for discipline.
• Church/State boundaries became blurred.

Post 76
Pixie Dust:

Of the 95 items on Luther’s list, the Church did agree with him on all but (I believe) 14 [sic] of his points.

Post 83
Pixie Dust:

Yep it says right there that MEN of both sides were to blame…

Post 86

By ordaining Luther, who had serious misunderstandings of Catholic teaching, the Church inadvertantly put a heretic in a perfect position to lead others into schism.

Post 91

Stylite:

Sure, Catholics bear their share of blame for the reformation.

Post 92
Ani Ibi:

The truth, as I have been attempting to point out to you, is a little of both…

More than once I have clarified with you that the Church had some fault in what happened…

men of both sides were to blame

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Which is what I said:
Ani Ibi:

The plagues lowered the number of educated CLERGY

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Corruption among some CLERGY exascerbated the need for discipline.
CHURCH/State boundaries became blurred.

Note the use of the term CLERGY twice and the term CHURCH once? Note that the items on the list implicate the Church as one of many causes of the Reformation?

Post 94
Ani Ibi:

NO ONE has said that the Church did not share fault in the Reformation.

Post 100

Stylite:

Yes, abuses and corruption among members of the Church played a large role as both a catalyst and opportunity during the reformation.

Post 101
Ani Ibi:

The Church had been weakened by the Crusades, the Plagues, and the corruption among some of Her clergy. The numbers of educated clergy had been greatly reduced. The Church was under the impression that heresy could be dealt with as it had always been dealt with and no great harm would come to society. The Church did not clue into the changed circumstances until too late. The Church was, in part, at fault.

Post 104
Ani Ibi:

Abuses and corruption among members of the Church played a role.

Post 116
Ani Ibi:

And NO ONE has suggested that the Pope and Cardinals are above examination and criticism… the Church was, in part, at fault…

 

[scottm]

They all agree on the song “Jesus Loves Me”
dltk-bible.com/jesus_loves_me.htm

They all agree on the Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed, including how to interpret the lines.

 

[Teflon93]

They all agree on the song “Jesus Loves Me”
dltk-bible.com/jesus_loves_me.htm

They all agree on the Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed, including how to interpret the lines.

Consensus certainly seems to be with you; next step is to post each and make sure this is true.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Mt 28 19_20:

As far as breaking a bunch of nuns out of a convent, I haven’t read up on that.

Noted.
Mt 28 19_20:

However, if they were well formed in their faith, and didn’t want to be out of the convent, couldn’t they have found a way?

You haven’t read up on it, so why are you commenting?
Mt 28 19_20:

If one chose to marry him, and stay with him as she did, whose choice was that? Or is it all Luther’s fault?

Luther’s part in it was Luther’s fault. That’s all we are saying.
Mt 28 19_20:

Alexander… behaved immorally, and it is a disgrace that a man with his history was elected Pope by the Cardinals trust with responsibility for safeguarding the Church.

I am not sure how happy the Holy Spirit would be to hear all that. After all it is He Who is entrusted with electing the Pope as well as with the responsibility for safeguarding the Church. The election of the Pope and the safeguarding of the Church is pretty elementary Church teaching, mt.

:ehh:

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Noted.

You haven’t read up on it, so why are you commenting?

Luther’s part in it was Luther’s fault. That’s all we are saying.

I am not sure how happy the Holy Spirit would be to hear all that. After all it is He Who is entrusted with electing the Pope as well as with the responsibility for safeguarding the Church. The election of the Pope and the safeguarding of the Church is pretty elementary Church teaching, mt.

:ehh:

Could you guys start another thread PLEASE!!!

 

[Teflon93]

Could you guys start another thread PLEASE!!!

Yes, let’s keep focused on the doctrines all Protestants agree upon.

Current consensus is Nicene Creed and Apostles Creed.

Anything not contained therein which ought to be added?

Any exceptions therefrom?

 

[Stylite]

Could you guys start another thread PLEASE!!!

Yes, here’s something this Catholic and I suspect most Protestant denominations would agree on

 

[Pixie_Dust]

I went to a southern baptist so I guess there is no unity there:shrug:

Nope, cause Southern Baptists are so dern liberal.

I know someone who attends a church like that and I have to say they are legalistic in nature . I dont know if your church was, but it sounds just like her church. Too bad there are people out there like that

They can be legalistic, some more so than others. It is really sad.

 

[Teflon93]

Nope, cause Southern Baptists are so dern liberal.

They can be legalistic, some more so than others. It is really sad.

Hey now—back on topic! :tsktsk: :tsktsk:

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Yes, here’s something this Catholic and I suspect most Protestant denominations would agree on

LOL

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Nope, cause Southern Baptists are so dern liberal.

They can be legalistic, some more so than others. It is really sad.

Your probably right but in NJ I would say more liberals then not!!

OK BACK ON TOPIC RIGHT!! Since I was the one that said something

 

[Teflon93]

The Nicene Creed

Traditional Wording

I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only begotten Son of God,
begotten of his Father before all worlds,
God of God, Light of Light,
very God of very God,
begotten, not made,
being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven,
and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost
of the Virgin Mary,
and was made man;
and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried;
and the third day he rose again
according to the Scriptures,
and ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
and he shall come again, with glory,
to judge both the quick and the dead;
whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord, and Giver of Life,
who proceedeth from the Father [and the Son];
who with the Father and the Son together
is worshipped and glorified;
who spake by the Prophets.
And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church;
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
and I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.

Modern Wording

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son].
With the Father and the Son
he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.

Do any mainline Protestant denominations object to any portion of the Nicene Creed?

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Do any mainline Protestant denominations object to any portion of the Nicene Creed?

Im in a non-denom and we dont object to that at all. I cant speak for all. I wish other protestants would answer cause I would like to know as well.

They were probably scared off by the Luther talk for the past 8 threads