I just gave it to you. Its obvious that we are both reading the Catechism and coming to opposite conclusions. I am confident that mine is more consistent with Church teaching. I am merely saying that all can be saved. You seem to be saying that God requires that some people must be damned for eternity. I don’t believe the Church teaches that, and I don’t find it anywhere in Church teaching.
Demons are not humans. We are talking about salvation for human persons, aren’t we?
I equally clearly meant all people. To the extent that you find me unclear, I am talking about the salvation of human persons, and not about either diabolic or heavenly creatures.
Doctrine is not “developed”. It is confessed. Your statement here seems to indicate that at some point the Church didn’t believe Christ was the divine son of the Father come in the flesh to save us from sins, and that somehow, over time and contemplation we figured it out three hundred plus years later. That wasn’t the case. To be sure the Church responded to heresy by summarizing what it had always taught about Christ in confessions and creeds, but that doesn’t mean the doctrine didn’t exist. We can see from the apostolic documents that make up the scriptures that this is what the Church always believed and confessed.
Universalism was condemned by the Church as a heresy in AD 543 at the Synod of Constantinople. It was then ratified by the Fifth Ecumenical Council.
I read canons of Constantinople II last night and it doesn’t specifically condemn universalism.
No. It just means the understanding wasn’t clearly stated in the first 300 years.
Angels are not resurrected, so note that it is a dogma of faith that there is a hell for humans, some being unjust, as the Catechism 1035 states that “The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity” and “The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God”. And 1038 "The resurrection of all the dead, "of both the just and the unjust,“623 will precede the Last Judgment.” 623 Acts 24:15.
See that there are both just and unjust that will be resurrected and the unjust go to hell.Julius_Caesar:
I equally clearly meant all people. To the extent that you find me unclear, I am talking about the salvation of human persons, and not about either diabolic or heavenly creatures.
Docetic claim: Christ did not come in the flesh because the flesh is evil.
And?
Anything like the Athanasian Creed? Anything against Partialism or Moralism?
Yeah. The Father’s quote scripture voluminously when refuting heresy. Like, there are entire books devoted to refuting error by exegeting scripture. Tell you what, let’s play a game. Read Against Heresies by Ireneaus and spin around in a circle every time he quotes or paraphrases scripture in his refutation of Valentinian Gnosticism. Let me know if you make it through book II.
That’s Interpretation of Scripture. That’s not a Creed.