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KJK80
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I never said they were, did I?
So what day are the Gentile Christian’s to worship on, Biblically?
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So what day are the Gentile Christian’s to worship on, Biblically?
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Rightlydivide
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Act 20:7 ¶ And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1Cr 16:1 ¶ Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Cr 16:2 Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
The first day of the week.
Is this supposed to be some kind of trick question?
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KJK80
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Re; Acts 20:7… I just see a meeting here… Nothing more…
1 Cr 16:1-2… again, no command or even example of worship here replacing or negating the 7th day Sabbath in any way…
Sorry!
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Rightlydivide
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You cannot negate something that never existed. Gentile Christians have never been under a sabbath. If you could show a a verse SAYING Gentile Christians are under a Sabbath, then you would need a verse negating, as such it does not exist.
The early Christians broke bread and had the collections on the first day of the week.
That is when they met. Are you an adventist holding that Gentile Christians observed a Sabbath and then met on Sunday? That is a false doctrine that does not have biblical support if that is the case. Gentile Christians do not have a Sabbath.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
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Rightlydivide
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KJK80
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By the way you see things… It makes sense to you… doesn’t mean that’s how everyone sees it, correct?
So worshiping on Sunday holds no conflict for you because? It doesn’t go against Biblical principles the way you understand them. Other denominations would simply not agree with you. Correct? Other denominations that also believe in sola scriptura and use the same Bible you do… correct?
So worshiping on Sunday holds no conflict for you because? It doesn’t go against Biblical principles the way you understand them. Other denominations would simply not agree with you. Correct? Other denominations that also believe in sola scriptura and use the same Bible you do… correct?
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Rightlydivide
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This is a lousy argument against Sola Scriptura because the Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Polish National Catholic Church, Old Catholic church etc
So even those who hold Tradition AND Scripture disagree
And yes not all Sola Scriptura folks agree either. The presence of dissenting opinions cannot be used as an argument for truth Well it can be used but is is very inconsistent…
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KJK80
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So what is the truth?
Which religion is the correct one?
If Catholic’s are incorrect due to their understanding of the Marian doctrines, purgatory etc.
Jew’s are incorrect due to their understanding of Christ
Sabbatarian’s are incorrect for keeping Sabbath as gentile’s
I suppose you’re going to say next that the KKK and Freemason’s are incorrect due to some reason too?
So, which one agrees completely with the literal translation of scripture, without any issues? Where do I belong?
Which church can back up everyone of its beliefs with the literal translation of scripture and no teachings of man?
Which religion is the correct one?
If Catholic’s are incorrect due to their understanding of the Marian doctrines, purgatory etc.
Jew’s are incorrect due to their understanding of Christ
Sabbatarian’s are incorrect for keeping Sabbath as gentile’s
I suppose you’re going to say next that the KKK and Freemason’s are incorrect due to some reason too?
So, which one agrees completely with the literal translation of scripture, without any issues? Where do I belong?
Which church can back up everyone of its beliefs with the literal translation of scripture and no teachings of man?
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Rightlydivide
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Yes, I WOULD say the KKK is incorrect. Grown men in aprons and such strike me as more silly than occultic. I think the Lions Club seems a tad more reasonable.
Without any issues? Goodness good luck with that. Best wishes.
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KJK80
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heh.
So you would agree that any religion is indeed the teaching of man and some religions use the Bible to attempt to reinforce their teachings?
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guanophore
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No, no one is saying that the disciples did not gather on the first day of the week. The question is, when did God move the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first? There is no Teaching to change the commandment, and Jesus was clear that all of the Commandments were to be followed. He worshipped on the Sabbath, and so did all the Apostles.
The Sabbath has existed since God established it, and it has not been revoked. You are saying that the Gentiles had the right to believe this commandment did not apply to them?
No, actually, it is the very best arguement, since the Apostolic Churches have a good reason for observing the Sabbath on Sunday, whereas, how to Protestants defend this practice, since it is no where commanded in the Bible?
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Rightlydivide
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The Sabbath has never been for Gentiles. Never happened.No, no one is saying that the disciples did not gather on the first day of the week. The question is, when did God move the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first? There is no Teaching to change the commandment, and Jesus was clear that all of the Commandments were to be followed. He worshipped on the Sabbath, and so did all the Apostles.
The Sabbath has existed since God established it, and it has not been revoked. You are saying that the Gentiles had the right to believe this commandment did not apply to them?
No, actually, it is the very best arguement, since the Apostolic Churches have a good reason for observing the Sabbath on Sunday, whereas, how to Protestants defend this practice, since it is no where commanded in the Bible?
Show me where this is applicable to the Gentile believer. Show me in the OT where Sabbath observances were for non-Jews.
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justasking4
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Yes. Jesus did away with the food laws of the OT. See Mark 7:19 and Acts 10:10-15
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guanophore
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Perhaps, but He never did a way with the Sabbath. He practiced it, and so did all the Apostles. There is no commandment of Christ or Teaching from HIm that sets aside the Sabbath.
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justasking4
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As Christians we are no longer bound by the Law of Moses. We don’t need to keep the Sabbath to be pleasing to God. Since Christ came we are no longer required to keep it since we are now justified by faith (Romans 5:1). Here is what Paul says in Colossians 2:16-17 says about the sabbath:
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
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Rightlydivide
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Gentiles were not, have never been under the Sabbath.
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guanophore
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So you believe that Jesus set aside the 10 commandments, and that Christians are not obligated to keept them?
Do you agree with ja4 that the 10 commandments have been voided?
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Rightlydivide
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I do not think they have been voided for Jews. Gentiles were never under the ten commandments. We were under the Noahide laws.
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justasking4
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I didn’t say they were voided. Rather that keeping the 10 commandments does not lead to life since no man can keep them perfectly.
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KJK80
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Do all Protestant’s believe this? Obviously this can’t be open to personal interpretation of Scripture… So anybody who reads the Bible should read it the same…
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