Which kind of rite use the Anglican church?

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Both Anglo evangelicals and Anglo catholics. Are they valid in the eyes of Rome
 
In my experience anglo-Catholic means a Church of England church that appears superficially Catholic but isn’t actually a Catholic Church.
 
No, any church in the Anglican communion is not in union with Rome. There is however the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter. The ordinariate describes itself as “a structure, similar to a diocese, that was created by the Vatican in 2012 for former Anglican communities and clergy seeking to become Catholic. Once Catholic, the communities retain many aspects of their Anglican heritage, liturgy, and traditions”.
So attending one of their Masses would be valid.
 
The thing is their high masses are like masses before Vatican 2 right?
 
Also any Episcopalians wanting to become Catholic is able to join an
ordinariate. Unfortunately, there are not that many in the U.S.
I was Episcopalian, but attend Catholic churches as I have not lived in a city that has an ordinariate. I would like to attend a service sometime and see what they are like. I hear they are quite beautiful.
 
There is a bit of a running joke that anglo-Catholic churches are more high church than Catholic churches but they aren’t actually Catholic. I think it can be a bit confusing for those who move to the UK to tell them apart sometimes.
 
Yeah, the most Catholic Church in my area is a local Episcopal Church. :cry:
 
My local anglo-Catholic church has a more Catholic sounding name than most Catholic churches
 
I was Episcopalian before I became Catholic. That’s a long story for another day, but you are exactly correct. It was like we were playing “dress up” while denouncing some core Catholic beliefs.
 
When I say they are masses are like the pre vatican 2 masses I mean the appearance the form not the validity.
 
The issue isn’t the form. I’m sure there are minor changes in the Ordinariate liturgy, but it’s mostly the Anglican liturgy.

By Anglicans, it’s not a valid Mass, as they don’t have bishops of the apostolic succession, and thus no actual priests, thus no Mass.

In an earlier wave, full parishes seceded from the US Episcipol Church over the purported ordination of women. These parishes were received into Rc diocese, and used a liturgy which was basically the Anglican but with the use of the Roman canon rather than their own.

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I was out of town recently and attended aMass at an ordinariate church, and I found myself distracted by all the vouchsafes and thees and thous and beseeches, etc. I know the KJV Bible uses this kind of language, but I can’t understand why people who no longer speak in that manner would want to do it in church on Sunday. Does it somehow seem more holy or something? It made me feel like an actor in a play rather than a worshiper and participator in a liturgy. Priest did give an excellent homily though and I enjoyed that part, and, of course, the Eucharist was why I went in the first place. Next time I’m out of town, I’ll read the “fine print” in the church listings so I won’t go to another church like this one.
 
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I was out of town recently and attended aMass at an ordinariate church, and I found myself distracted by all the vouchsafes and thees and thous and beseeches, etc. I know the KJV Bible uses this kind of language, but I can’t understand why people who no longer speak in that manner would want to do it in church on Sunday. Does it somehow seem more holy or something?
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I can relate. I felt the same way the last time I attended a Mass in the Extraordinary form.
 
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Just for general information, as Catholics we cannot say definitively the Anglican Mass or Priest does not have valid Orders. We can say they their Orders ARE illicit, and MAY BE invalid.
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From Pope Leo XIII’s apostolic letter Apostolicae Curae:

“36. Therefore Adhering Entirely To The Decrees Of The Pontiffs Our Predecessors On This Subject, And Fully Ratifying And Renewing Them By Our Authority, On Our Own Initiative And With Certain Knowledge, We Pronounce And Declare That Ordinations Performed According To The Anglican Rite Have Been And Are Completely Null And Void.”

Even if something had changed since that time that would make Anglican orders valid, we can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that any women who have been “ordained” or that any men “ordained” by a “female bishop” have invalid orders.
 
We can say that. We can also say the Catholic Church doesn’t recognize Anglican Orders as valid.

Though we must remember there’s a difference between a Priest having valid Orders and those Orders being recognized by the Catholic Church.

What I was replying to mainly are those Catholics which reply with the seemingly Pavlonian “Anglican Orders aren’t valid”. It just reinforces the stereotype that most Catholics are ignorant of their faith and have been indoctrinated into an incorrect set of beliefs they have been taught, rather than taking the time to become educated about the Christian faith.

This is all the more poignant because at least one who responded that way in this thread is a pretty eduacted and wise person.

Thanks for the reply.
 
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RCbkw said:
I was out of town recently and attended aMass at an ordinariate church, and I found myself distracted by all the vouchsafes and thees and thous and beseeches, etc. I know the KJV Bible uses this kind of language, but I can’t understand why people who no longer speak in that manner would want to do it in church on Sunday. Does it somehow seem more holy or something? It made me feel like an actor in a play rather than a worshiper and participator in a liturgy. Priest did give an excellent homily though and I enjoyed that part, and, of course, the Eucharist was why I went in the first place. Next time I’m out of town, I’ll read the “fine print” in the church listings so I won’t go to another church like this one.
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For Anglicans, this sort of language appeals to the mind the same way that Latin does for many Catholics. Having been brought up as an Anglican, though Catholic for decades now, this language is second only to Latin, in terms of my liturgical preference. It has a venerable history, even with Catholic circles, so it’s nothing to disparage.
 
SteveLy said:
Just for general information, as Catholics we cannot say definitively the Anglican Mass or Priest does not have valid Orders. We can say they their Orders ARE illicit, and MAY BE invalid.

See here for a more in depth explanation: Anglican orders not 'invalid' says Cardinal, opening way for revision of current Catholic position
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Actually, we can and we must.

The position (teaching) of the Church is that Anglican attempts at ordination are null and void.

I am speaking about attempted ordination that is done within the Anglican ecclesial communities—not addressing situations such as a former Catholic priest who leaves the Church to become Anglican.
 
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