Which Protestant Denominations use wine?

[Zenas]

That’s interesting. I know some IF Baptists, and they are TOTAL teetotalers, in that they believe that alcohol is evil, and when the Bible says “wine”, it means “new wine”, which they insist was unfermented, basically grape juice. I’ve found the IF Baptists way more “hard core” than the S. Baptists.

In Christ,

Ellen

The IFB’s ae more hard core than the SB’s. But the ones I’m familiar with preach against the evils of alcohol but still use wine in communion. I use this comparison to point out that those who claim to practice what they did in the N.T. are usually hypocrites. They only practice some things, those they agree with, and ignore many other things. As has been pointed out, we no longer recline for our meals even though they did in the N.T. My point is that those who use grape juice can’t really be critical of the churches who pour or sprinkle as their mode of baptism.

 

[crazzeto]

but what was it before the priest does the transtubawadiacallit?

I attended a nondenom as a child ;grape juice. a pentecostal; grape juice and a baptist; grape juice.

So if a Catholic is an alcoholic does he drink the wine? I cant, even a small amount would trigger my alcoholism.

It must be fermented, period so if you’re going to consume you must consume something which has been fermented. It is my understanding though that there is some low/no alch version for those who can’t tolorate much alchohol. If it’s a real problem for you, then you may choose not to participate in the drinking from the cup, since one can not actually seperate the living body and blood of Christ.

If you consume one species, you’ve consumed them both.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

The IFB’s ae more hard core than the SB’s. But the ones I’m familiar with preach against the evils of alcohol but still use wine in communion. I use this comparison to point out that those who claim to practice what they did in the N.T. are usually hypocrites. They only practice some things, those they agree with, and ignore many other things. As has been pointed out, we no longer recline for our meals even though they did in the N.T. My point is that those who use grape juice can’t really be critical of the churches who pour or sprinkle as their mode of baptism.

Oh yeah, totally agree on that! (Not to mention all those “man made” traditions like the altar call, Wednesday night services, bible studies, youth groups, etc. ).

It’s funny though, I knew an IFB who left the SB’s because they were, in her words “too liberal” (I think that means they don’t adhere to KJV onlyism, and don’t uniformly condemn the Catholic Church, honestly). I laughed out loud as I immediately thought of my SB in-laws, with whom one would never put the word “liberal” in the same sentence!

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[Bill_Pick]

It’s a non-denominational Evangelical church, Tabernacle Christian Church, in CT.

Does it have a real Tabernacle ?

 

[Bluegoat]

Does it have a real Tabernacle ?

I think that the idea is that the church is the tabernacle?

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

It must be fermented, period so if you’re going to consume you must consume something which has been fermented. It is my understanding though that there is some low/no alch version for those who can’t tolorate much alchohol. If it’s a real problem for you, then you may choose not to participate in the drinking from the cup, since one can not actually seperate the living body and blood of Christ.

If you consume one species, you’ve consumed them both.

so why must it be fermented? you can skip it altogether but you cant use juice? this is the official Catholic teaching?

 

[Bluegoat]

so why must it be fermented? you can skip it altogether but you cant use juice? this is the official Catholic teaching?

These are mostly unrelated issues.

If it isn’t fermented, it isn’t wine. Fermented juice is what wine is, and wine is the proper material for the Sacrament. Just like you can’t baptize someone with juice, because it isn’t water.

Skipping it is a different issue. Both the wine and the bread, once consecrated, contain the whole of Christ, you don’t need both to receive everything that is on offer. So if there is some reason not to take one of them, the other alone is just fine.

 

[Bold_Sexton]

I think you could use Hawaiian punch and Ritz crackers if its all that was available. I have a hard time believing the good Lord is going to withhold his presence due to a lack of the proper ingredients.

 

[crazzeto]

so why must it be fermented? you can skip it altogether but you cant use juice? this is the official Catholic teaching?

It must be fermented, because Christ consecrated wine and turned it into the cup of his blood. Since priests have no power, what so ever, to do this kind of thing. So if we are to share in this gift given to us by Christ then it can only do it by doing exaclty what Christ did, the priest operating in the person of Christ. So yes, this is the teaching of the Church.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

I think you could use Hawaiian punch and Ritz crackers if its all that was available. I have a hard time believing the good Lord is going to withhold his presence due to a lack of the proper ingredients.

He endured humiliation, spiting, ridicule, scourging and the cross, but juice thats a bridge too far!

 

[Bluegoat]

He endured humiliation, spiting, ridicule, scourging and the cross, but juice thats a bridge too far!

God could do whatever he wanted, but that doesn’t mean we can turn Twinkies into the body of Christ, or into anything else, by praying over them. Sure, God might answer such a prayer, but we have no reason to think he will, and lots of evidence that it is unlikely.

Bread and wine are used because those are the directions we were given by Christ, and we do have reason to think he will do what he said he would.

 

[Bold_Sexton]

God could do whatever he wanted, but that doesn’t mean we can turn Twinkies into the body of Christ, or into anything else, by praying over them. Sure, God might answer such a prayer, but we have no reason to think he will, and lots of evidence that it is unlikely.

Bread and wine are used because those are the directions we were given by Christ, and we do have reason to think he will do what he said he would.

Notice I said if it were all that was available. And isn’t what you said the fact for every prayer?

 

[Bluegoat]

Notice I said if it were all that was available. And isn’t what you said the fact for every prayer?

If bread and wine were not available, it would not be possible, on our end, to carry out the Sacrament. We only know what God has told us to do as far as Sacraments go. If we were to try to have a Eucharist with steak and orange juice, because that was available, there would be no way to know if it “worked”. And really, what would be the point? We follow God’s directions in these matters out of obedience. When we get to a place where we cannot find bread and wine, or water, or a priest, we can pray for God’s Grace directly, rather than try to concoct something similar to the directions he has given us.

A thing is what it is, not something else. Think of Satan tempting Christ to change the stones into bread. It isn’t up to us to change the order of nature.

What I said is indeed true of all prayer, but with most prayers, we know God will answer how he chooses, not in the way we demand. With the Sacraments the Church teaches that God has said that as long as we perform them according to God’s directions, he WILL act - not because he has to, but because he said he would.

 

[Bold_Sexton]

I think there might be the possibility Jesus chose wine and bread because it’s what was on the table at the time and very common items making it easy for all of us to follow directions.

 

[Bluegoat]

I think there might be the possibility Jesus chose wine and bread because it’s what was on the table at the time and very common items making it easy for all of us to follow directions.

That seems plausible. If he had chosen Ritz Crackers people would have been out of luck until the Nabisco company was founded.

 

[crazzeto]

That seems plausible. If he had chosen Ritz Crackers people would have been out of luck until the Nabisco company was founded.

Nothing is choosen by God by accident, to suggest otherwise is rather neieve. Bread for instance was choosen, because bread is what God prefigured durring the exodus. The manna from heaven is the Eucharist prefigured, reference John 6 for instance:

41 The Jews therefore murmured at him, because he had said: I am the living bread which came down from heaven.

… and …

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.

As for wine, the last “cup of blessing” at the end of the pass over meal (and christ is our Pachel or Passover Lamb) was a cup of wine. More over bread and wine have always been used as sacrafices since the OT. Not crackers and capri suns or whatever else.

For a decent explanation, check out this website:
ourcatholicfaith.org/thelastsupper.html

 

[Bluegoat]

Nothing is choosen by God by accident, to suggest otherwise is rather neieve. Bread for instance was choosen, because bread is what God prefigured durring the exodus. The manna from heaven is the Eucharist prefigured, reference John 6 for instance:

… and …

As for wine, the last “cup of blessing” at the end of the pass over meal (and christ is our Pachel or Passover Lamb) was a cup of wine. More over bread and wine have always been used as sacrafices since the OT. Not crackers and capri suns or whatever else.

For a decent explanation, check out this website:
ourcatholicfaith.org/thelastsupper.html

My answer was a tongue in cheek - clearly that was not as obvious as I had thought. To be clear, I don’t think God considered the Nabisco company at all in his decision about the signs used for the Eucharist.

But I didn’t suggest that it was an accident that bread was chosen, in fact I suggested that it wasn’t. Pointing out that bread was pre-figured in Scripture really is not relevant, unless you think someone else besides God said it and God was just going along with it. But that is silly - it is pre-figured because that is what God decided, for whatever reason. Since we really are not given any information on why, we can only make educated, or uneducated, guesses.

 

[crazzeto]

It was worth posting, because based on many posts here it really seems like some people here think bread and wine were chosen for no reason other than “it happened to be there”. Sorry for choosing your post to reply to.