Which Protestant Faiths Permit Abortion

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Could you clear up a question I have?

Is it true that US Rep and speaker of the house Nancy Palosi and Sr. US Sen. John Kerry both put their political muscle into the abortion industry and are both still receiving the Eucharist?
I do not know if they still receive the Eucharist or not. What does that have to do with the topic of the thread? Because there are some Catholics not in full communion with the Church and all it’s doctrines, it somehow makes it right for other faiths? Is this another reason some Protestant faiths might find it acceptable, because there are Catholic politicians that vote in favor of abortion laws?

Don’t mistake Catholics as being perfect. We’re not. The Church is against abortions. It’s not something Catholics are free to disagree with. Do Protestant Churches have no doctrines that the congregation is not at liberty to disagree with?
 
What church allows or denies any man to do anything? It implies that the church has policing power over its members. A 9 year old girl has no political power so does she have different rules applied to her then the Speaker of the US House of Rpresentatives?
So, your Church doesn’t practice excommunication, for any reason? It has no doctrines that the congregation isn’t at liberty to disagree with?
 
We don’t know to what extent people , they or you , sin. We go into the confessional alone, only God knows the intentions of the heart ultimately. Peace to you, Carlan
Well we do know that when an elected official proposes a law or votes in favor of a law that is against the teachings of the church then we can safely say that this person is sinning. Agree or disagree?
 
What church allows or denies any man to do anything? It implies that the church has policing power over its members. A 9 year old girl has no political power so does she have different rules applied to her then the Speaker of the US House of Rpresentatives?
The head of the Church, Jesus Christ , set the "rules, his commandments.’ Check them out!:p;)🙂 Go in peace, Carlan
 
Sen. Ted Kennedy may have called himself a Catholic, but on advocating in favour of abortion he certainly didn’t mind much about what the Catholic Church teaches on it.
Did you know that such an early Church text as the 2nd Century’s Didache already prohibited abortion?
And thanks be to God the Catholic Church didn’t mind much allowing a full Catholic funeral and burial. I don’t recall the Pope stepping in and putting a stop to the Mass. In fact I recall an exchange of letters between Sen Kennedy and the Pope being read at graveside by the presiding member of hierarchy.
 
I’m not so sure. There appears to be reasons they find it acceptable and I’m open to hearing those reasons. As the poster said a victim of rape was ‘punished’, it would help if they had elaborated on that punishment specifically. I feel that is only one example of acceptable ‘reasons’ and would like to hear other reasons, with explanations. For example, is it acceptable for an unwed woman? Is it acceptable for financial reasons?
Most people who would allow for abortion in a case of rape would not consider that to be “birth control”. That implies that it is seen as quite casual, and as having little import - that it is no different than choosing not to get pregnant in the first place. I really can’t think of any Christian groups who would say that.

You would likely find Christians in general fall into a few groups as far as abortion goes.

Many would say it was only ever acceptable in the case of a real life threat to the mother, in which case it is up to the mother to make the decision about what to do. THis is probably the largest group from the perspective of Protestant groups. The reasoning is that it is similar to someone who is drowning grasping on to you, and so causing you to drown. Not a good situation, but it may be justifiable to strike the person to prevent yourself from being dragged under, even if it means the other person drowns. And generally only the person being grabbed is in a position to make the decision.

Some people would add that in the case of rape it is also up to the mother, but I don’t really know of any groups that argue this, just individuals who belong to a group with a more or less strict interpretation. I think this is partly because they are not seen as having been responsible for being pregnant, and partly out of a kind of charity. It seems cruel to make someone carry the child of someone who raped her, and to remind her of the incident for so long. It almost seems like the pregnancy is a way for the rapist to continue to violate her body. And I think in cases where there was abuse by a relative, the incest taboo makes the whole thing seem tainted - not so much intellectually but at the level of the gut.

Some groups seem to leave it very much open to individual conscience. However, they are usually not enthusiastic about abortion even then - but seem to take the view that only at the individual level can one make evaluation of the circumstances. Even such groups as this generally affirm the sanctity of life, so that is meant to be taken into account by individuals contemplating abortion. So these groups would want the reason to be “serious” but leave it up to the person involved to decide what that means. I think the idea is that only that person is in a position to really understand the situation.

Occasionally I have met people whose group sees the soul appearing later on, and so sees very early abortion as acceptable. (A similar view was common in the past too when less was known about the process of conception - so of course it wasn’t really considered an abortion, just “bringing on menstruation”.)

I find some groups have an almost incomprehensible view, the Episcopal Church being one of these. Their various statements seem to make little sense, but they seem to support the availability of abortion in any case. Essentially they fall under the individual conscience idea I guess.
 
I do not know if they still receive the Eucharist or not. What does that have to do with the topic of the thread? Because there are some Catholics not in full communion with the Church and all it’s doctrines, it somehow makes it right for other faiths? Is this another reason some Protestant faiths might find it acceptable, because there are Catholic politicians that vote in favor of abortion laws?

Don’t mistake Catholics as being perfect. We’re not. The Church is against abortions. It’s not something Catholics are free to disagree with. Do Protestant Churches have no doctrines that the congregation is not at liberty to disagree with?
You have answered my question with words that are loud and clear.
 
Well we do know that when an elected official proposes a law or votes in favor of a law that is against the teachings of the church then we can safely say that this person is sinning. Agree or disagree?
Well Jon, we can judge the sin ,yes, by what we see and know of it, But****** the heart is a very complex organ and only God can judge it,not we. :yup:Peace .Carlan
 
Most people who would allow for abortion in a case of rape would not consider that to be “birth control”. That implies that it is seen as quite casual, and as having little import - that it is no different than choosing not to get pregnant in the first place. I really can’t think of any Christian groups who would say that.

You would likely find Christians in general fall into a few groups as far as abortion goes.

Many would say it was only ever acceptable in the case of a real life threat to the mother, in which case it is up to the mother to make the decision about what to do. THis is probably the largest group from the perspective of Protestant groups. The reasoning is that it is similar to someone who is drowning grasping on to you, and so causing you to drown. Not a good situation, but it may be justifiable to strike the person to prevent yourself from being dragged under, even if it means the other person drowns. And generally only the person being grabbed is in a position to make the decision.

Some people would add that in the case of rape it is also up to the mother, but I don’t really know of any groups that argue this, just individuals who belong to a group with a more or less strict interpretation. I think this is partly because they are not seen as having been responsible for being pregnant, and partly out of a kind of charity. It seems cruel to make someone carry the child of someone who raped her, and to remind her of the incident for so long. It almost seems like the pregnancy is a way for the rapist to continue to violate her body. And I think in cases where there was abuse by a relative, the incest taboo makes the whole thing seem tainted - not so much intellectually but at the level of the gut.

Some groups seem to leave it very much open to individual conscience. However, they are usually not enthusiastic about abortion even then - but seem to take the view that only at the individual level can one make evaluation of the circumstances. Even such groups as this generally affirm the sanctity of life, so that is meant to be taken into account by individuals contemplating abortion. So these groups would want the reason to be “serious” but leave it up to the person involved to decide what that means. I think the idea is that only that person is in a position to really understand the situation.

Occasionally I have met people whose group sees the soul appearing later on, and so sees very early abortion as acceptable. (A similar view was common in the past too when less was known about the process of conception - so of course it wasn’t really considered an abortion, just “bringing on menstruation”.)

I find some groups have an almost incomprehensible view, the Episcopal Church being one of these. Their various statements seem to make little sense, but they seem to support the availability of abortion in any case. Essentially they fall under the individual conscience idea I guess.
Bluegoat, perhaps all true except Catholics don’t believe much in individual conscience anymore no matter how well formed or prayed over.
 
I do not know if they still receive the Eucharist or not. What does that have to do with the topic of the thread? Because there are some Catholics not in full communion with the Church and all it’s doctrines, it somehow makes it right for other faiths? Is this another reason some Protestant faiths might find it acceptable, because there are Catholic politicians that vote in favor of abortion laws?

Don’t mistake Catholics as being perfect. We’re not. The Church is against abortions. It’s not something Catholics are free to disagree with. Do Protestant Churches have no doctrines that the congregation is not at liberty to disagree with?
Some have no doctrine but Christ.
 
Most people who would allow for abortion in a case of rape would not consider that to be “birth control”. That implies that it is seen as quite casual, and as having little import - that it is no different than choosing not to get pregnant in the first place. I really can’t think of any Christian groups who would say that.

You would likely find Christians in general fall into a few groups as far as abortion goes.

Many would say it was only ever acceptable in the case of a real life threat to the mother, in which case it is up to the mother to make the decision about what to do. THis is probably the largest group from the perspective of Protestant groups. The reasoning is that it is similar to someone who is drowning grasping on to you, and so causing you to drown. Not a good situation, but it may be justifiable to strike the person to prevent yourself from being dragged under, even if it means the other person drowns. And generally only the person being grabbed is in a position to make the decision.

Some people would add that in the case of rape it is also up to the mother, but I don’t really know of any groups that argue this, just individuals who belong to a group with a more or less strict interpretation. I think this is partly because they are not seen as having been responsible for being pregnant, and partly out of a kind of charity. It seems cruel to make someone carry the child of someone who raped her, and to remind her of the incident for so long. It almost seems like the pregnancy is a way for the rapist to continue to violate her body. And I think in cases where there was abuse by a relative, the incest taboo makes the whole thing seem tainted - not so much intellectually but at the level of the gut.

Some groups seem to leave it very much open to individual conscience. However, they are usually not enthusiastic about abortion even then - but seem to take the view that only at the individual level can one make evaluation of the circumstances. Even such groups as this generally affirm the sanctity of life, so that is meant to be taken into account by individuals contemplating abortion. So these groups would want the reason to be “serious” but leave it up to the person involved to decide what that means. I think the idea is that only that person is in a position to really understand the situation.

Occasionally I have met people whose group sees the soul appearing later on, and so sees very early abortion as acceptable. (A similar view was common in the past too when less was known about the process of conception - so of course it wasn’t really considered an abortion, just “bringing on menstruation”.)

I find some groups have an almost incomprehensible view, the Episcopal Church being one of these. Their various statements seem to make little sense, but they seem to support the availability of abortion in any case. Essentially they fall under the individual conscience idea I guess.
Thank you for articulating your experiences with others and reasons you offered.

It would be interesting in hearing from one of those who believe the soul ‘appears later on’. Maybe they could explain where that ‘belief’ comes from.

Even though, I might not agree with the Episcopal Church’s support, I can somewhat understand their view that it falls under the individual’s conscience idea. I have to be honest and state, I’ve often wondered how man can legislate, and thereby forbidding, what God does not, through the free will He gives us.
 
And thanks be to God the Catholic Church didn’t mind much allowing a full Catholic funeral and burial. I don’t recall the Pope stepping in and putting a stop to the Mass. In fact I recall an exchange of letters between Sen Kennedy and the Pope being read at graveside by the presiding member of hierarchy.
Excuse my bluntness Matt, so you are one of the dissenters who do not believe in sacramental confession , forgiveness and absolution. And God’s mercy.🤷 “For the sake of His sorrowful passion have mercy on us and on the whole world”. Amen
Carlan.
 
Some have no doctrine but Christ.
I’m not so sure about that either Matt. God’s commandments are clear doctrines, and even if there is differences of interpretations of those commandments, I think all Christian Churches adhere to those according to their interpretation. As someone brought up, some don’t believe a soul is joined until later on, therefore they don’t see abortion as being against the commandment of not killing.

Realistically, I don’t think there is any Church that would not ‘excommunicate’ someone, for what they viewed as actions ‘against God’, according to their beliefs. So as one person wants to make it appear that the Catholic Church has ‘Church police’, their own Church has ‘Church police’ also, just fewer or more lax laws the members must adhere too.
 
Excuse my bluntness Matt, so you are one of the dissenters who do not believe in sacramental confession , forgiveness and absolution. And God’s mercy.🤷 “For the sake of His sorrowful passion have mercy on us and on the whole world”. Amen
Carlan.
Carlan, I don’t know what you mean. Maybe you misunderstood. I was all in favor of a funeral Mass etc for Senator Kennedy. At the time I know “purer” Catholics were not happy with the hierarchy though.
 
I’m not so sure about that either Matt. God’s commandments are clear doctrines, and even if there is differences of interpretations of those commandments, I think all Christian Churches adhere to those according to their interpretation. As someone brought up, some don’t believe a soul is joined until later on, therefore they don’t see abortion as being against the commandment of not killing.

Realistically, I don’t think there is any Church that would not ‘excommunicate’ someone, for what they viewed as actions ‘against God’, according to their beliefs. So as one person wants to make it appear that the Catholic Church has ‘Church police’, their own Church has ‘Church police’ also, just fewer or more lax laws the members must adhere too.
Prod, I do know of a couple denominations with no creed which only require a profession of faith in Christ as Lord and Savior. So I suppose perhaps if someone no longer professed Christ in those cases they might be “excommunicated” as you put it.
 
Carlan, I don’t know what you mean. Maybe you misunderstood. I was all in favor of a funeral Mass etc for Senator Kennedy. At the time I know “purer” Catholics were not happy with the hierarchy though.
OOPS! forgive me Matt, I hope you will let me blame that one on lack of sleep!⭕)Peace, Carlan
 
I gave you the most honest answer I could. I apologize if it was not enough and would still appreciate a response to my questions.
You are Sir, a very honest, forthright individual. Thank you for being so honest. And thank you for your apology, although you don’t owe me one.
 
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