Wow - why you attacking me?
I wasn’t. Assuming that you know the sort of thing that Christ would not want His believers to participate in is not an attack. It is an assumption that you know something about Christian thought and expectations of behavior. I was assuming that I didn’t have to make all that comprehensive a list, because you understand who would go into it, having a background in Christian thought and some common sense.
Yes it is strong language - meant to be insulting don’t you think?
No. Meant to be a strongly stated opinion…rather kinder than opinions I see posted here every single day describing my beliefs, come to think of it…
I can’t agree with your characterization of McConkie’s intent
It is your right, of course, to disagree with it. However, you might want to examine your motive for disagreeing with it. Is this Mormon wrong because he was using deliberately insulting langauge, or is the language insulting because a Mormon was using it? I have noticed that many people do that, even if they don’t recognize it themselves; a statement made by a Mormon is considered to be insulting, but the same statement, in the same words, made by a Catholic is not.
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I think his point is to separate LDS from Christendom - I don’t think he wants any part of Christendom. Regarding that both sides believe the other believes in false gods yes, we both share that belief about each others faith. Instead of getting upset about someone who was perhaps insensitive on a post, why don’t you discuss it with them? You never reach understanding if you just get mad.
I don’t get mad first. I don’t insult first, either. In fact, I’m pretty slow to insult, period, and my worst is considerably milder than some of the stuff said TO me about my faith. I believe that my posting history bears that out.
MercyMia implied she didn’t know much about LDS beliefs. I thought she needed to know some things that hadn’t been brought up about LDS views of Christians. I think she’s capable of drawing her own opinion - don’t you? I appreciate your clarifications and there are certainly things I don’t know about LDS, but many of my experiences and discussions with LDS do not agree with what you’re stating. Regarding your snub, I have not impugned you. Why do you attack me this way?
I was not attacking you. Believe me, if I ever do, there would be no mistake about it. THAT was an honest musing; if you do accept my explanations, change your mind about what we really believe, and improve your knowledge about our beliefs (and use that) you will be almost unique. That very seldom happens. Mostly, I get 'You do TO believe this or that…" and then I will get some quote from someone, generally taken out of context, or I’ll get referred to some anti-Mormon website, or someone will quote Ed Decker at me. My comment to you was actually a statement of hope, not an attack.
Thanks! So if you think the Bible is less than perfect it’s ok for us to think the same of the BoM, right?
Of course. We don’t think it’s perfect either. Says so on the title page.
Although LDS obviously don’t think so
We ‘obviously’ don’t think what?
. My point is not to fight, my point is that unless we can talk about these types of things in an open and honest way, then most of the discussion is simply at a surface level of little value.
Wow - you really are defensive!
People under siege tend to be that way, yes. Remember, I’m not here discussing what I think is wrong with Catholic doctrine. We are here in non-Catholic religions, literally defending my faith against attacks. You will notice that I restrict my posts, mostly, to those threads that specifically address Mormonism, or in the case of this one, threads that deal with issues of silliness like one group of Christians attempting to deny other Christians the right to call themselves such.
I’d have no issue at all listening to an ex-Catholic talk about any topic related to the Church. They may be right about a lot of it, if they’re not, we’ll talk. Likewise, an ex-Mormon learned what they learned and experienced what they experienced - they have important things to say just as you do. This wasn’t even meant for you - why did you feel the need to respond to it?
…because this is a public forum. I have never seen an ex-Mormon (well, I’ll take that back, there may actually be one here on this forum…) who came to forums like this and attempted to be fair and truthful about Mormonism. If ex-Mormons have this problem, then ex Catholics are equally likely to be accurate about their old faith.
That is, probably not all that accurate. Their perceptions are filtered by their own decisions, choices and need to justify their change of beliefs. It’s human nature. That’s fine and all, but it does mean that ex-members of any faith are not good primary sources about that faith. So your request to get information from EX Mormons about our beliefs in preference to the ‘true believers’ is, to me, like preferring to get the story of the divorce from the guy who ran off with his secretary over the wife he left–or preferring to get an analysis of a company’s personnel department from the guy who was just fired than from the folks who have worked happily there for years.
So who WOULD you rather I got my information about Catholic policies on excommunication from? Should I get it from the Catholic that was just ex’d, or should I get it from the local parish priest, or from Catholic canon law?
Since when is a hostile secondary source ever preferable to a primary source?
It’s great to be home!
